ITS A water mark , ya can take it out easy enuff with a a few free programs. Dont loan yours out to someone if thats an issue for ya. After all it is your copy not a public one.
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ITS A water mark , ya can take it out easy enuff with a a few free programs. Dont loan yours out to someone if thats an issue for ya. After all it is your copy not a public one.Back to my orignal statement - why don't I have a choice; if I don't want to share my e-mail with the planet I have to find the programs to strip my e-mail from the free download.
How is embedding personal information into the file player friend.
It's not a matter of how easy it is to remove; the question is why does paizo; claiming happy players are their priority; embed my personal data into a free file that they *SHOULD* want me to share.
It's a FREE download. What Paizo wants (afaict) is for people to create an account and download it themselves. I don't think they want people sharing the files independently. Of course, I don't work for Paizo, so I may be mistaken, but that's the idea I've gotten on the topic...
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Are you planning on sharing a downloaded book with strangers?
If you are sharing printouts of the book with your friends around a game table then I would have to ask what sort of friends you have that you aren't comfortable sharing your email with them?
Perhaps its just me (I put my email into forms for distribution all the time) but I don't understand your concern. What are you afraid you are going to do with a downloaded book (any book) that is going to create such problems for you?
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I'm not trying to incite anything, but have you seen a marked increase in spam since downloading this PDF? Who are you sharing this file with? Perhaps they are at fault. I'm trying to understand this issue.
I get next to no spam on my associated email account and I even have it visible in public locations, such as my profile.
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Paizo has made it clear that if a friend needs a copy of the file, you should send them to the site to download one themselves.
Also, you can choose not to receive email from Paizo. (My son pointed that out when I asked if he had received the Seoni Christmas card. He had not because he exercises caution when online.)
Downloading files from Paizo is odd the first time but it gets pretty easy once you've done it once.
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I get next to no spam on my associated email account and I even have it visible in public locations, such as my profile.
Ever since the arrest of Robert Alan Soloway back in 2007, I must confess I get a whole lot less spam.
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Just my opinion here: I think you're blowing this out of proportion. Paizo's intention isn't for you to share their products with the world by putting up on a FTP site or handing out printouts to people. What they want is for individuals to go to their website, create an account, and download the document. That way, they can track how many unique downloads the document is getting (probably used to see what their penetration is as a marketing metric) and so that they can create a more personal relationship with individual customers.
I don't know what your experience is, but I've had a Paizo account for a couple of years and I might get a email once every couple of weeks telling me about a sale, or such-and-such product is available for purchase or whatever. That's not much in the way of "spam" (If you want to call it that). Also, Lisa and Vic (Paizo president and head tech guy) have both said numerous times that Paizo doesn't share email addresses with anyone (personally, I've never see any evidence that they have).
All these concerns have been addressed in various threads before. Frankly, in the scope of personal information that can be leaked out, email addresses aren't all that sensitive. If you don't want your main email address to show up on downloads, set up a "_junkmail" account and use it.
-Skeld
PS: As far as I know, all PDF's downloaded from Paizo have the email/order# watermark at the tops and bottoms to discourage sharing it across P2P and other means. Maybe I've just become desensitized to it, but I don't see that its a big deal. *shrug*
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What ever Paizo's intention; the horrible web design that sends you in circles, the 'how much spam can we send you' when you create the requried account to download the file, 'buying' the 'free' file before you can download, and now embedding my e-mail in the file has convinced me that paizo is no more gamer friendly than WoTc.
I'll try to address your gripes in order presented. Bare in mind I am no an employee of the company.
1) "'how much spam can we send you' when you create the requried account to download the file" This is customary on any website that has a marketplace. you get the same questions from Best Buy, Amazon, Ebay, or any online store which sends out news emails. in fact, if I remember correctly, there my even be a law about it being required in the US.
2) "'buying' the 'free' file before you can download" It is labeled as free and not a giveaway. This is again customary in all stores across america. if you go to a store and 'buy one get one free'(BOGO) you must go through the register, and they must scan both the full price and the free object. this happens for multiple reasons: in a mbrick and mortar store dealing with BOGO offers, they need to keep records for inventory and sales figures for the government. In an online store they still needs the sales figures. For a free item such as the beta rules, this allows the company to gauge the response of the community and make a final print run appropriate to the need. notice you only have to 'buy' the item once. After that it is in your downloads for all of eternity. This allows the company to calculate a more exact count to the number of unique downloads, vs just downloads. if you were not forced to 'buy' the file, than people like me who have downloaded the rules on 8 different computers for quick reference would hae been counted as 8 downloads instead of one, thus the print count would be off.
3) "embedding my e-mail in the file" This again is standard practice for buying PDF files. I just looked at PDf that I have bought free from locations such as The DMV, a PDF bookseller that has since gone out of business, and engineering layout of a table I plan on building. All of them have a watermark with my name and email on them.
I don't see how doing things the internet-wide (or world-wide) accepted way should offend someone. obviously you see it differently. this post was not ment as a flame in any way, I just wanted to show you some of the misconception you may have over the policies set forth.
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I think people are missing the original poster's point.
He's not handing out his Beta Playtest. He's concerned that if he loses his physical gaming materials, someone else could email him if they find his stuff.
To the OP: you claim that this is equivalent to someone finding your most personal banking information. I don't see how: the absolute worst that could happen --in case someone living close enough to you to find your lost gaming materials happens to be a professional Internet spammer-- is that you'd get some email, and you'd have to block it.
My suggestion: create a new email account from which to contact Paizo and through which to download the Beta Playtest. If you lose those pages, nobody will send email to your regular account.
Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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Your lack of sophistication with anti-piracy technology does not make Paizo "spammer-friendly".
Not that I particularly care one way or the other. Such a spectacular bout of whining and misrepresentations regarding having your email address on a piece of paper suggests the community is better off without your participation. Check back in when you're no longer a noob on the internet and understand the subtle differences between your email address and your bank account information.
Shame really, I had hopes. Oh, well. I wish you all the best of luck, I just can't see paizo as gamer centric when my experience so far has been so needlessly bad.
Another "I'm never coming back" announcement. Tune in and find out next time, viewers...
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Another "I'm never coming back" announcement. Tune in and find out next time, viewers...Shame really, I had hopes. Oh, well. I wish you all the best of luck, I just can't see paizo as gamer centric when my experience so far has been so needlessly bad.
Three posts, all in this thread. Was he even really "here"?
I am going to my trailer!
*outrage*
It's too bad he posted and then blew out of here all on a Sunday, when it's unlikely any Paizo customer support folks were around to respond. Maybe he'll check again this week once they have a chance to see this thread.
I'm not saying I understand the issue, but maybe there is an easy fix.
CR
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It's too bad he posted and then blew out of here all on a Sunday, when it's unlikely any Paizo customer support folks were around to respond. Maybe he'll check again this week once they have a chance to see this thread.
I'm not saying I understand the issue, but maybe there is an easy fix.
CR
They could always email him if they don't feel he'd see a response here. But I don't think that would help, given the circumstances.
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I'm not trying to incite anything, but have you seen a marked increase in spam since downloading this PDF? Who are you sharing this file with? Perhaps they are at fault. I'm trying to understand this issue.
I get next to no spam on my associated email account and I even have it visible in public locations, such as my profile.
*goes to check for typos*
They could always email him if they don't feel he'd see a response here. But I don't think that would help, given the circumstances.
LOL!
I like chocolate milk!
oh, i love chocolate milk also.
and cooked cabbage.
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Your lack of sophistication with anti-piracy technology does not make Paizo "spammer-friendly".
Not that I particularly care one way or the other. Such a spectacular bout of whining and misrepresentations regarding having your email address on a piece of paper suggests the community is better off without your participation. Check back in when you're no longer a noob on the internet and understand the subtle differences between your email address and your bank account information.
Just curious, Sebastian:
Why reply to something like this at all? It seems like a wasted effort to me, don't you think?
If you don't want your e-mail address showing up on your hardcopy, go over it with a chisel-point black Sharpie like a top-secret government document.
If you don't want your e-mail address showing up on your hardcopy, go over it with a chisel-point black Sharpie like a top-secret government document.
or just cut it straight out of the paper with scissors if you are being that anal about it. :P
Rick, these boards are generally friendly to people who have questions or concerns.
I hereby invoke the spirit of Lillith. Cookies all around.
Rick, these boards are generally friendly to people who have questions or concerns, and I don't understand why posters have been so unforgiving in their responses to your question.
I guess that the OP won´t read this response anyway, as his final post does seem to indicate that he left for good. I´d say that this thread can rest in peace now.
Stefan
I am going to my trailer!
*outrage*
GROGNARD!
<Kruelaid violently waves his cane at Davemage as he picks his multi-directional dentures up off the floor.>
DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOUR ASS!
Rick, these boards are generally friendly to people who have questions or concerns, and I don't understand why posters have been so unforgiving in their responses to your question.I guess that the OP won´t read this response anyway, as his final post does seem to indicate that he left for good. I´d say that this thread can rest in peace now.
Stefan
Isn't it the Paizo custom to draw such a thread out over multiple pages?
Perhaps we can kick Sebastian around a bit for being so aggro.
Just curious, Sebastian:
** spoiler omitted **
Because he's a hardened, bitter, cynical old bastard? Perhaps he just had a colonoscopy or something like that.
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I think everyone still in this conversation who hasn't quit the boards in a blaze of flaming knows that a little watermark doesn't put anyone at risk of spamming. The number of times I've printed an article or section from Pathfinder to read before my hard copies arrive or for making notes on, which later was lost or left somewhere is longer than I can count. I've seen no spam increase. I hand out chronicle sheets from PFS scenarios with my email address on them all the time and get no spam. Obviously, we're dealing with an irrational person who jumped to a crazy conclusion perhaps mere moments after downloading the pdf. I am with those that the topic should be dropped.
To the OP: you claim that this is equivalent to someone finding your most personal banking information. I don't see how: the absolute worst that could happen --in case someone living close enough to you to find your lost gaming materials happens to be a professional Internet spammer-- is that you'd get some email, and you'd have to block it.
Even if we suppose that the OP lost his personal copy of some downloaded information and if we then suppose that the information is found by a stranger and if we further suppose that this stranger happens, against all the odds, to be a guy who does internet spam for a living the OP is probably still fine. I mean this would have to be one hard working and dedicated internet spammer - these guys don't type up emails individually into their databases by hand - that'd take hundreds of thousands of man hours of work.
They use a combination of programs that scour the Internet for emails (which is why I get vastly more spam for my store then my personal account), buying lists of emails (mostly already in a format that they can have a program read and then spam en masse) and programs that generate random 'plausible' emails which they fire out in the millions hoping some are actually real emails.
In short the OPs concern, while quite possibly genuine, is misplaced. There is little danger that he'd be spammed even if he lost a physical copy of his material.
Now if he posts the PDF online then its possible that there are some email addressing hunting bots out there that are made to read PDFs. Hence posting the material on the web would be a significant concern but not physical copies.
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Your lack of sophistication with anti-piracy technology does not make Paizo "spammer-friendly".
Not that I particularly care one way or the other. Such a spectacular bout of whining and misrepresentations regarding having your email address on a piece of paper suggests the community is better off without your participation. Check back in when you're no longer a noob on the internet and understand the subtle differences between your email address and your bank account information.
Yay, ponies.
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Rick, these boards are generally friendly to people who have questions or concerns, and I don't understand why posters have been so unforgiving in their responses to your question.I guess that the OP won´t read this response anyway, as his final post does seem to indicate that he left for good. I´d say that this thread can rest in peace now.
Stefan
I agree with the sentiment, but as others have stated it is traditional to spend pages commenting on the subject. As it is, there may be others out there who have had the same concern and just not have expressed it as vocally. This discussion may still help put to rest their concerns, even if it is of no use to the OP. I tend to believe, based on Derreck's observation, that the OP most likely came to these shores looking for something to troll about.
Rick, these boards are generally friendly to people who have questions or concerns.
I hereby invoke the spirit of Lilith. Cookies all around.
Yay, cookies! *passes out cookies*
DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOUR ASS!
(...but I like it.)
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[threadjack]On the other hand, identity theft is a serious problem. I've just spent the afternoon trying to reassure a Quebec provincial court that they've mistaken me for someone else and that some kid is not my son and not to garnish my wages. And, womyn friends, please ask to see a drivers' license or another piece of photo ID before you take someone home from a bar. He might be lying about his name. Bastard.
Why does stuff like this always happen to me???
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[threadjack]On the other hand, identity theft is a serious problem. I've just spent the afternoon trying to reassure a Quebec provincial court that they've mistaken me for someone else and that some kid is not my son and not to garnish my wages. And, womyn friends, please ask to see a drivers' license or another piece of photo ID before you take someone home from a bar. He might be lying about his name. Bastard.
Why does stuff like this always happen to me???
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Yikes! At least your problem is one that can be settled by a DNA test.
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Yikes! At least your problem is one that can be settled by a DNA test.[threadjack]On the other hand, identity theft is a serious problem. I've just spent the afternoon trying to reassure a Quebec provincial court that they've mistaken me for someone else and that some kid is not my son and not to garnish my wages. And, womyn friends, please ask to see a drivers' license or another piece of photo ID before you take someone home from a bar. He might be lying about his name. Bastard.
Why does stuff like this always happen to me???
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they sey they are expensive :S
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/threadjack/ Hi Lilith *bites cookie* Yum. Is it you that owns and programs the DMTools Web site? if so, do you know why I can't view any of the stat blocks - they're not appearing....?!?/end of threadjack/
It is in the middle of a rebuild and she should have it back up sometime after she finishes making more cookies.
Yikes! At least your problem is one that can be settled by a DNA test.[threadjack]On the other hand, identity theft is a serious problem. I've just spent the afternoon trying to reassure a Quebec provincial court that they've mistaken me for someone else and that some kid is not my son and not to garnish my wages. And, womyn friends, please ask to see a drivers' license or another piece of photo ID before you take someone home from a bar. He might be lying about his name. Bastard.
Why does stuff like this always happen to me???
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Read an interesting case recently were the male proved (via DNA) that he was not in fact the father...however an Ontario court decided he was still liable as he had acted as the father for some very prolonged period of time like 10 years. Which makes me wonder if one is on the hook for child support if one marries a woman that already has children and then divorces her 10+ years later?
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Read an interesting case recently were the male proved (via DNA) that he was not in fact the father...however an Ontario court decided he was still liable as he had acted as the father for some very prolonged period of time like 10 years. Which makes me wonder if one is on the hook for child support if one marries a woman that already has children and then divorces her 10+ years later?
IANAL but I think the answer to that is yes, If the woman wants to press the man for it. I seem to remember that was the whole point of that case. Though I didn't remember it being a canadian case. I had thought it was Florida but its been a while since I read about it so maybe my memory is just confusing Orlando for Ontario.