Kill Bill Vol. 1
"Kill Bill" only works if you realize it's a pastiche and can identify at least 300 out of the 550 references and source films. If you watched it and had no idea what it was... that every detail of costume and casting and events is a piece of one of Tarantino's favorite shows or movies... well, then it probably sucked for you.
Kill Bill was not meant for people who fail to recognize the source material, or who weren't obsessed with things like Shaw Brothers films in the 70's. If you know that Hattori Hanzo was also played by Sonny Chiba in "The Shadow Warrior" (Chiba was also "The Street Fighter"), and if you know what the Wu Tang Clan was named after and you've seen Gordon Liu in everything, and you know that Uma's stunt double (Zoe Bell) was also the stunt double for Xena: Warrior Princess, then you're probably the target audience. Otherwise, why bother seeing it? That's like me saying I didn't like "Bed of Roses." Of COURSE I didn't -- I'm a hetero male who dislikes Christian Slater -- that movie was intended for a totally different demographic.
For me it is Titanic.
How did this movie do so well?... I can barely watch it... but that most likely has to do with DiCaprio... He makes me cringe in any movie he is in...
I watched Titanic just to get my sister to stop bugging me about it. I ended up cheering for the iceberg.
It's weird; since I started keeping up with this thread, people are mentioning films that I had a few prob's with.
Like Dances With Wolves.....
that and the Last Samurai; I liked them, but why do I constantly have to get Hollywood to put some white guy in there to experience another culture? It's like the Kung Fu t.v. series all over again. Everybody knows Bruce Lee made that show up, and they had to put David Carradine in as Kane because the U.S. would freak out if Bruce Lee was the leading man. But that was the 70's, man. This is still happening now.And, of course, Kevin Costner's got the President from Battlestar Galactica for a love interest, because he couldn't possibly fall for a Native American woman, right? WTF is that?
And then, Last Samurai, they had to throw in that the 19th century samurais were all concerned with freedom? FREEDOM? Howl it at the sky like William Wallace so I'll buy it, because it's b.s. The LAST thing a 19th century samurai gave a crap about was freedom for the peasantry.
And I liked 300, but Spartans didn't give a crap about freedom either.
Please, please, please, quit screaming "FREEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOMMMMMM!!!"
I like freedom and all, it's just overly cheesy.
Yes on all of this. Does Hollywood actually think we the viewers are so bigoted we couldn't get behind a non-white leading character if they were presented as being at all sympathetic?
The Hollywood "Disneyfication" of far too many other cultures in films ("We've got to cut this, it makes them look unsympathetic.") cheeses me off too.
Of course, if we're talking bad Disney flicks, then I've got to go with their desecration of The Black Cauldron (I want to get the people associated with this film, tie them up in wicker baskets, hang them from poles and then set them ablaze, all the while yelling, "Lloyd Alexander, thou art avenged!") and that PC puke-fest Pocahantas. The voice actor for Powhatan called it "the most accurate depiction of pre-Columbian Native American life ever done in film." Whne I heard that, I think I popped half the blood vessels in my head.
How about Spider-Man 3. I liked the first two but this one got a little on my nerves. It should have been subtitled *Spider-Man 3: Mary Jane's Whining, Pissing, and Moaning*. Seriously, did she do anything else during the movie?
I'm sorry but Spidey 3 makes me go Blargh.... his big change in attitude and power comes from what? Moving his hair to one side of his face like he was going to a My chemical Romance concert... and WTF was with the saturday night fever strut? How it should have ended got this one way right!
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I hated The Crying Game, and guessed the plot twist two minutes into the movie.
The remake of Posiedon, wow, may the Greek furies flail the hides of all people involved in making that movie !
Oh and I loathed Titanic and Pearl Harbor with a vengance.
And I guessed the endings of BOTH those movies as well. So predictable !
Its Transformers for me.
I tried to like that movie, I really did. I just don't get all the craze behind it.
Samnell, Hallelujah, brother, on Two Towers. I practically needed dentures after watching that steaming pile of . . . I take that back, as it insults steaming piles of all kinds everywhere, that cold, dessicated lump of a turd movie because I'd been grinding my teeth down to the roots.
BTW, I'm Spartacus!
Treebeard is the oldest, most wise creature on Middle Earth, not Hillbilly Bob! And we reverse Faramir's character development for no reason. And a Ringwraith gets 10 feet from THE ONE RING TO RULE THEM ALL and turns back because his wyvern got shot by one arrow?!? Oh, have fun explaining that to Sauron. I'm sure he's got a special level of Hell reserved for creatures like him.
Oh, and give me the keys, you sockcucker, I'm Kaiser Soze.
As for not liking Spider-Man 3, I thought the point of the thread was to admit to not enjoying movies most people said were good. I wasn't aware Spidey 3 was considered good. I was actually under the impression that it was such an unappetizing heap of fecal matter that dung beetles starved themselves rather than nibble upon it.
I'm Batman, too (*flap flap*)
For me it was Gunga Din. I'd always heard the line, "You're a better man than I, Gunga Din." So, one night I stayed up to 2 a.m. to start it. By the end, when I finally heard the line, I was like, WTF, mate,
I hated The Crying Game, and guessed the plot twist two minutes into the movie.
I almost got dragged out of the theatre and beaten, because right away I exclaimed something like,
Everyone hates to see movies with me, because I'll make some comment that's supposed to be a joke, and it turns out to be the ending instead. Some other examples, upon my first viewings:
Gone with the Wind
The Usual Suspects
Blood Work
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Titanic(kill me before LeoNERDo DiCRAPio acts again)
300(I would rather pop 300 pills before watching this blue screen nightmare again)
Forest Gump(can we have just one freakin movie with a SMART southerner in it?)
ANYTHING by Quinten Tarentino(if I wanted my intellegence insulted I'd go visit my mother thank you)
Natural Born Killers(I saw this with a cute little jewish girl I was dating at the time...we were the only 2 sober people in the theatre...we were also the only 2 to leave the flick to go make out in the lobby)
Dances with Wolves/Last Samurai(same stupid movie just different "ignorant savages" that need a white guy to show them how to be better)
But maybe I'm just jaded
Transformers: Several friends keep telling me how great it was; I thought it blew chunks.
Batman '89: Blech! If *I* can kick Batman's ass, something went very, very wrong.
Dances with Wolves/Last Samurai (same stupid movie just different "ignorant savages" that need a white guy to show them how to be better)
Heh, my exact quote after seeing Last Samurai was "Thank God -- that could so easily have been Dances with Wolves in Asia, and narrowly avoided it." Then again, maybe I just liked watching Tom Cruise repeatedly get clocked over the head with a stick.
Ok Kirth ya got a point there... watching Tom Cruise get beat up was fun :p
Same reason I loved Man in the Iron Mask -- every time Leonardo diCaprio opens his mouth, they hit him! And sometimes they put a bag over his head and club him with blunt objects!
I probably need therapy.
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Ok Kirth ya got a point there... watching Tom Cruise get beat up was fun :pSame reason I loved Man in the Iron Mask -- every time Leonardo diCaprio opens his mouth, they hit him! And sometimes they put a bag over his head and club him with blunt objects!
I probably need therapy.
Naw my therepist says the desire to club 5ft tall twits with blunt objects is normal...of course I quit going to see Dr. Lecter after his arrest.
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Ok Kirth ya got a point there... watching Tom Cruise get beat up was fun :pSame reason I loved Man in the Iron Mask -- every time Leonardo diCaprio opens his mouth, they hit him! And sometimes they put a bag over his head and club him with blunt objects!
I probably need therapy.
That IS therapy. Keeps you from going to L.A. and doing it yourself :)
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There are a few movies I revile, generally because they are overrated and mainstream:
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EDIT: That's funny. I posted this about an hour ago, and it failed. Then I went to play Oregon Trail and I realized I still had the text on my clipboard. :)
For me, it was Thelma and Louise. I was watching it with some friends at their place, and walked out when they shot the guy in the parking lot. I'm sorry, but if she'd shot the guy while he was trying to rape her friend, that would have been fine. Instead, she shoots him for calling her a rude name as he's walking away. So much for sympathy for the protagonists.
There are a few movies I revile, generally because they are overrated and mainstream:
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Terminator/Terminator 2
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Terminator? Seriously? I can see Terminator 2, but Terminator was made of win...
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There are a few movies I revile, generally because they are overrated and mainstream:
Titanic (although I don't think I am alone in this)
Shakespeare in Love (unforgiveable Oscar win)
Dark Knight (I'll get my childish morality play elsewhere)
Terminator/Terminator 2
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I'd be very interested to know what movies you liked.
I tend to revile movies that the mainstream loves, but I'm not exclusive to that. But then again, I'm sometimes a contrarian. For me, Titanic and Forrest Gump qualify as overrated by the public at the time they appeared on the screen. I'd have thrown Winslet and DiCaprio into the drink and stayed on the raft myself. I have to admit though, I enjoyed Transformers and Dark Knight because I enjoy re-imaginings of classic things (Transformers) and the occasional morality play (Dark Knight). Occasional being the key word. I liked Dances with Wolves OK, never liked the Last Samurai because I don't care for Cruise.
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Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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Dark Knight (I'll get my childish morality play elsewhere)
I feel defective for not liking the Dark Knight. I loved Batman Begins, but the Dark Knight just felt too stupid for me. My suspension of disbelief was ruined by the Joker and Batman's ridiculous plots within plots within plots.
I feel defective for not liking the Dark Knight. I loved Batman Begins, but the Dark Knight just felt too stupid for me. My suspension of disbelief was ruined by the Joker and Batman's ridiculous plots within plots within plots.
Really? I definitely thought that the Joker's plans were ridiculously convoluted and totally impractical, but Batman seemed to be running around like a chicken with his head cut off for most of the movie. In fact, Batman was such a tool that he started to annoy me (not to mention Bale's "menacing" batman voice).
Loved the movie though.
Great characterization and acting when it comes to the Joker, but the logic rails were not enough to bear the weight of that overloaded freight train...yep, I found disbelief refusing to be suspended at various plot points that didn't seem true to how people would react or to the likelihood of developments not being interfered with.
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Terminator? Seriously? I can see Terminator 2, but Terminator was made of win...There are a few movies I revile, generally because they are overrated and mainstream:
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Terminator/Terminator 2
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Okay, maybe I can chalk up Terminator to having my childhood ruined by the death of Reese. But I do fully admit it is much better than Terminator 2.
I'd be very interested to know what movies you liked.
Ridley Scott, Kurosawa, Spielberg when he brings his A game.
Okay, maybe I can chalk up Terminator to having my childhood ruined by the death of Reese. But I do fully admit it is much better than Terminator 2.
(sob) I loved T2. Part 3, on the other hand... don't get me started. We conveniently ignore the philosophical message of the first two movies, and instead have 2 hours of a CGI Arnold-image fittering about the screen like Tinkerbell.
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Okay, maybe I can chalk up Terminator to having my childhood ruined by the death of Reese. But I do fully admit it is much better than Terminator 2.(sob) I loved T2. Part 3, on the other hand... don't get me started. We conveniently ignore the philosophical message of the first two movies, and instead have 2 hours of a CGI Arnold-image fittering about the screen like Tinkerbell.
The dumbest part of T3? When Sarah's grave is full of guns (kind of neat character statement) but then they waste them all in about 2 minutes fighting cops.
They should have ramped up the paranoia in T3, instead they ramped up the action. I mean seriously, the only time I felt there was an impending apocalypse was when the nukes went off. :)
OT: Kirth, spread the word the Red Hand of Doom is marching again!
OT: Kirth, spread the word the Red Hand of Doom is marching again!
I'm'a kill every gobbin IN the place!