Bugbear as a character

[Sqwonk]

The Bestiary does not have any rules for Bugbears as PCs. Are there some listed elsewhere? Anyone have a house rule?

Thanks

[HappyDaze]

Sqwonk wrote:

The Bestiary does not have any rules for Bugbears as PCs. Are there some listed elsewhere? Anyone have a house rule?

Thanks

You can use the rules in the back of Bestiary for adding class levels to a monster. Without looking, I believe that a Bugbear without class levels is equivalent to CR 2, the same as a 3rd level character. The Bugbear with 1 PC class level and appropriate ability scores should start play roughly balanced alongside level 4 characters.

[Seldriss]

If you drop the monster hit dice and start from the bottom, it would give this:

Medium Humanoid (Goblinoid)
Speed 30ft
+4 Str, +2 dex, +2 Con, -2 Cha
Darkvision 60ft
Scent
+3 natural armor
Intimidate +4, Stealth +4
Languages: Common, Goblin

If you think that's unbalanced, you can tone it down:

Str bonus lowered to +2
+2 or even +1 natural armor
Perception +2 by scent
Intimidate & Stealth bonus reduced to +2

[Kirth Gersen]

I made the bugbear a 3-level Goblin Paragon class for our houserules...
(click "Races" and see goblin).

[Cheapy]

HappyDaze wrote:

Sqwonk wrote:

The Bestiary does not have any rules for Bugbears as PCs. Are there some listed elsewhere? Anyone have a house rule?

Thanks

You can use the rules in the back of Bestiary for adding class levels to a monster. Without looking, I believe that a Bugbear without class levels is equivalent to CR 2, the same as a 3rd level character. The Bugbear with 1 PC class level and appropriate ability scores should start play roughly balanced alongside level 4 characters.

Pathfinder doesn't have level adjustments. The bugbear would be level 4 like all the others, it'd just be more powerful.

[HappyDaze]

Cheapy wrote:

HappyDaze wrote:

Sqwonk wrote:

The Bestiary does not have any rules for Bugbears as PCs. Are there some listed elsewhere? Anyone have a house rule?

Thanks

You can use the rules in the back of Bestiary for adding class levels to a monster. Without looking, I believe that a Bugbear without class levels is equivalent to CR 2, the same as a 3rd level character. The Bugbear with 1 PC class level and appropriate ability scores should start play roughly balanced alongside level 4 characters.

Pathfinder doesn't have level adjustments. The bugbear would be level 4 like all the others, it'd just be more powerful.

No level adjustment, but there are rules that a monster is equivalent in level to its CR. Theres a section in the Bestiary that spells out the details.

[Deer]

HappyDaze wrote:

Sqwonk wrote:

The Bestiary does not have any rules for Bugbears as PCs. Are there some listed elsewhere? Anyone have a house rule?

Thanks

You can use the rules in the back of Bestiary for adding class levels to a monster. Without looking, I believe that a Bugbear without class levels is equivalent to CR 2, the same as a 3rd level character. The Bugbear with 1 PC class level and appropriate ability scores should start play roughly balanced alongside level 4 characters.

Acutally you are not quite right, HappyDaze, you take the CR as startlv, so it would be a CR 2 bugbear with two pc lvls.

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/monstersAsPCs.html

Some times i wonder if people use the PRD at all. It more or less contains the whole Bestiary, APG and Core, and is free to use. Heck the Monster as PC even has its own article in the index