Are the old Inner Sea world books obsolete now because of the Inner Sea World Guide, or do they still contain unique information?
Specifically:
Campaign Setting (3.5)
Inner Sea Primer
Gazetteer
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Only the Campaign Setting is explicitly replaced.
Inner Sea Primer is a player-friendly intro to the setting, without any major spoilers or GM-specific information.
Where does the Gazeteer fit in?
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Where does the Gazeteer fit in?Only the Campaign Setting is explicitly replaced.
Inner Sea Primer is a player-friendly intro to the setting, without any major spoilers or GM-specific information.
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The Gazeteer is similar to the primer, it's set up differently, and has a wider spread of information, without as much detail on any one piece. there may be some spoilers, but as the campain setting hadn't been written, many of the spoilers hadn't been written either
I do not own the Gazetteer so I'm only relaying what I understand of it. My understanding was that the (old) 3.5e Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting book obsoleted the Gazetteer so I didn't pick it up. The Gazetteer predated the 3.5e setting book.
I have both the 3.5e Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting and the Pathfinder Campaign Setting Inner Sea World Guide, but I haven't compared them side by side for differences. I can say the Inner Sea World Guide seems superior though.
The Inner Sea Primer is a 32-page book that just has short write-ups on the regions. It's more like something you'd hand to players and say "pick a starting region" so you don't get that one guy who hovers over the campaign book all evening to pick his origin location as he reads everything in-depth.
Only the Campaign Setting is explicitly replaced.
Inner Sea Primer is a player-friendly intro to the setting, without any major spoilers or GM-specific information.
So the sites that were listed in the Campaign Setting (3.5) and not in the Inner Sea World Guide are simply gone now or just omitted?
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Only the Campaign Setting is explicitly replaced.
Inner Sea Primer is a player-friendly intro to the setting, without any major spoilers or GM-specific information.
So the sites that were listed in the Campaign Setting (3.5) and not in the Inner Sea World Guide are simply gone now or just omitted?
Which sites do you have in mind?
There was some slight retconning between PFCS and ISWG (eg. dragon presence toned down, psionics section removed).
The inner sea primer has some spellcasting style and fighter archetype/styles in it that have yet to be reprinted (to my knowledge and I buy almost all the books paizo puts out) in any other book. The aldori sword fighting style is one such style that's in it that hasn't been reprinted.
There was some slight retconning between PFCS and ISWG (eg. dragon presence toned down, psionics section removed).
Was there any retconning between the gazetteer and ISP?
The inner sea primer has some spellcasting style and fighter archetype/styles in it that have yet to be reprinted (to my knowledge and I buy almost all the books paizo puts out) in any other book. The aldori sword fighting style is one such style that's in it that hasn't been reprinted.
The Fighter Archetype was great, but perhaps a little unbalanced. (You gave up your first fighter feat for a bunch of extra class skills and had your Skill Points bumped up to 4/Level. I think it represented fighter colleges or group training or something. In one of the games I GM, we have a Fighter who was trained in Korvosa as a guardsman with this archetype. Its nice.)
Only the Campaign Setting is explicitly replaced.
The entire Campaign Setting book? Is the Inner Sea the main area of Golarion that Paizo has detailed? Is the Inner Sea book the best place to start for a DM new to Golarion?
Edit: Okay the products description answers my questions.:)
The hardcover Inner Sea World Guide is a definitive guide to the primary adventuring locales of the Pathfinder world of Golarion, and is the perfect first step in your journey into this exciting, multiple award-winning fantasy campaign setting.
Was there any retconning between the gazetteer and ISP?
There was some slight retconning between PFCS and ISWG (eg. dragon presence toned down, psionics section removed).
I think the best way to see it is:
Gazetteer -> Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting -> Inner Sea World Guide.
The Inner Sea Primer was designed to be a player-friendly (no spoilers) complement to the Inner Sea World Guide. None of the rules-material in it (2 character traits per region, 3 fighter archetypes [Aldori Swordlord, Dawnflower Dervis, Rondolero Duelist], and 3 alternative wizard schools [Universalist - Arcanamirium Crafter, Conjuration - Egorian Academy Infernal Binder, and Illusionist - Mage of the Veil) has been reprinted anywhere else, as far as I'm aware.
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Just because an NPC or a site or an organization that was mentioned in the Gazetteer or the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting wasn't mentioned in the Inner Sea World Guide doesn't mean that previously-mentioned site or NPC or organization is officially "gone," but it DOES pretty much mean that such a site or whatever won't ever be followed up in the future.
There WAS a little bit of ret-conning going on in Inner Sea World Guide (mostly in the case of a few NPC names), but I tried to keep that relatively light.
If something was mentioned in an earlier book but wasn't mentioned in the most recent one, though... it's very unlikely that you'll see us expand upon that topic in the future.
If something was mentioned in an earlier book but wasn't mentioned in the most recent one, though... it's very unlikely that you'll see us expand upon that topic in the future.
Does that apply to the Iridian Fold, too?!? <huge puppy eyes saying "Please don't kick me.">
-- C.
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If something was mentioned in an earlier book but wasn't mentioned in the most recent one, though... it's very unlikely that you'll see us expand upon that topic in the future.Does that apply to the Iridian Fold, too?!? <huge puppy eyes saying "Please don't kick me.">
-- C.
Nope; we've talked about the Iridian Fold as recently as the Kaer Maga book. Thing is, when you have only two pages to talk about "other groups" in a book about an entire region... talking about a group who only really does stuff in one city out of hundreds isn't a good choice, especially when there are plenty of others that DO need mentioning.
EDIT: And if folks want to know about why I cut anything else, feel free to ask. Just don't get TOO sad or argumentative if my answer is "I cut that because I thought it was silly and needed to go away."
Nope; we've talked about the Iridian Fold as recently as the Kaer Maga book. Thing is, when you have only two pages to talk about "other groups" in a book about an entire region... talking about a group who only really does stuff in one city out of hundreds isn't a good choice, especially when there are plenty of others that DO need mentioning.
EDIT: And if folks want to know about why I cut anything else, feel free to ask. Just don't get TOO sad or argumentative if my answer is "I cut that because I thought it was silly and needed to go away."
Thank you very much for your reply.
You're absolutely awesome!-- C.
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Nope; we've talked about the Iridian Fold as recently as the Kaer Maga book. Thing is, when you have only two pages to talk about "other groups" in a book about an entire region... talking about a group who only really does stuff in one city out of hundreds isn't a good choice, especially when there are plenty of others that DO need mentioning.
EDIT: And if folks want to know about why I cut anything else, feel free to ask. Just don't get TOO sad or argumentative if my answer is "I cut that because I thought it was silly and needed to go away."
Thank you very much for your reply.
You're absolutely awesome!-- C.
You're going to see the Iridian Fold again. I'm not done with those guys. Not by a long shot. :D
Just because an NPC or a site or an organization that was mentioned in the Gazetteer or the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting wasn't mentioned in the Inner Sea World Guide doesn't mean that previously-mentioned site or NPC or organization is officially "gone," but it DOES pretty much mean that such a site or whatever won't ever be followed up in the future.
There WAS a little bit of ret-conning going on in Inner Sea World Guide (mostly in the case of a few NPC names), but I tried to keep that relatively light.
If something was mentioned in an earlier book but wasn't mentioned in the most recent one, though... it's very unlikely that you'll see us expand upon that topic in the future.
So (having not yet finished reading the plethora of Paizo books from the last few months) is there an updated archetype for the fighter similar to the one from the old Campiagn Setting (War College)?
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So (having not yet finished reading the plethora of Paizo books from the last few months) is there an updated archetype for the fighter similar to the one from the old Campiagn Setting (War College)?Just because an NPC or a site or an organization that was mentioned in the Gazetteer or the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting wasn't mentioned in the Inner Sea World Guide doesn't mean that previously-mentioned site or NPC or organization is officially "gone," but it DOES pretty much mean that such a site or whatever won't ever be followed up in the future.
There WAS a little bit of ret-conning going on in Inner Sea World Guide (mostly in the case of a few NPC names), but I tried to keep that relatively light.
If something was mentioned in an earlier book but wasn't mentioned in the most recent one, though... it's very unlikely that you'll see us expand upon that topic in the future.
Not that I'm aware of. We're deliberately avoiding making a fighter that gains lots of skill points, frankly, because that's the role of the barbarian and the ranger, really.
Just make a human fighter with a high Intelligence and you'll have plenty of skill points.
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So (having not yet finished reading the plethora of Paizo books from the last few months) is there an updated archetype for the fighter similar to the one from the old Campiagn Setting (War College)?Just because an NPC or a site or an organization that was mentioned in the Gazetteer or the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting wasn't mentioned in the Inner Sea World Guide doesn't mean that previously-mentioned site or NPC or organization is officially "gone," but it DOES pretty much mean that such a site or whatever won't ever be followed up in the future.
There WAS a little bit of ret-conning going on in Inner Sea World Guide (mostly in the case of a few NPC names), but I tried to keep that relatively light.
If something was mentioned in an earlier book but wasn't mentioned in the most recent one, though... it's very unlikely that you'll see us expand upon that topic in the future.
Not that I'm aware of. We're deliberately avoiding making a fighter that gains lots of skill points, frankly, because that's the role of the barbarian and the ranger, really.
Just make a human fighter with a high Intelligence and you'll have plenty of skill points.
*cough*
The Tactician archetype from Ultimate Combat gets 4+int skill points, and is pretty much a spiritual child of War College from the old Campaign Setting.
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The Tactician archetype from Ultimate Combat gets 4+int skill points, and is pretty much a spiritual child of War College from the old Campaign Setting.
*cough*
No need to cough at all. I was not aware of the tactician archetype. There ya go.
(I have yet to read through either Ultimate Combat OR Ultimate Magic, in fact...)
You're going to see the Iridian Fold again. I'm not done with those guys. Not by a long shot. :D
Woohoo! Looking forward to it.
Thank you.
And "Yeah, you're absolutely awesome, too!!" :D
-- C.
*cough*
The Tactician archetype from Ultimate Combat gets 4+int skill points, and is pretty much a spiritual child of War College from the old Campaign Setting.
*cough*
No need to cough at all. I was not aware of the tactician archetype. There ya go.
(I have yet to read through either Ultimate Combat OR Ultimate Magic, in fact...)
Me too, I'm only 1/2 way through UM right now and the monthly present from Paizo arrived with even more good stuff!
But glad to hear there is a tactician archetype