Graphic Novel - Western style, please and thank you.
Leave the Manga style to Exalted!
Graphic Novel - Western style, please and thank you.
Leave the Manga style to Exalted!
Actually...give me Exalted art hehe. Big, fat, oversized swords, cool looking characters and dramatic action sequences. Love it. Dunno about Western style. Everytime I think of Western style, Marvel comics come to mind. Fantasy genre in that style just doesn't seem all that new to me. But, I won't knock it til I try it. Let's just see a comic or graphic novel come out.
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Dunno about Western style. Everytime I think of Western style, Marvel comics come to mind. Fantasy genre in that style just doesn't seem all that new to me. But, I won't knock it til I try it. Let's just see a comic or graphic novel come out.
Dude, check out the art of Mark Smylie and Massimiliano Frezzato(I'd post more images, but I'm tied up at work now). And that's just for starters!
They should get plenty of image hits on Google.
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I would subscribe as well. I would also buy some for my school library if it were like the Warcraft manga.See, yeah, that's exactly what I'm thinking. And I suspect that's not what many folks here are talking about. Ask your typical D&D fan if he prefers Marvel's format or Tokyopop's format and I bet I can guess the majority's answer.
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If there was "manga-format" Pathfinder graphic novel that looked like that, I would totally buy it. That reminds me of Savage Sword of Conan, I could totally get into it. SSoC used to be my absolute favorite fantasy comic. The art is well within my "tolerance for anime", and I am not an anime fan.
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Actually, since I'm not aware of a comic with either of those characters, I was thinking of some of the Greyhawk NPC's, who were famous as part of the setting, and some of the famous NPC's of FR. But you made my point, those characters appeared in print as part of a story before they appeared elsewhere.You’ve got some fallacious reasoning going on. For one, you are arbitrarily holding comic books/graphic novels and regular prose novels to different standards. There’s absolutely no reason that a graphic novel needs to have established characters when pose novels do not. If you’re not aware, the majority of the old D&D comics didn’t follow the adventures of established characters, but of characters created especially for the comic — just like the majority of the D&D prose novels contained stories about characters created specifically for those novels. Very few stories, regardless of format, follow a setting’s “ego characters” — Elminster being a notable (and lamentable) exception.
No, I'm just not explaining myself well. You're absolutely right, they don't, you can invent characters for graphic novels just like regular novels. However, if you want to create buzz about the campaign world, it would help if there was a tie-in, and I don't think the iconics are strong enough. A great comic/graphic novel would create buzz for Golarion, but I think it works better the other way around. Take someone or something from the campaign world that people are already interested in, expand on it in a graphic novel, and you get both more interest in the campaign world, and people who were interested in the campaign world will jump on the fiction.
To me, the iconics are stat blocks, and I can't even remember their names. If the authors had chosen to include the Runelords iconics in Crimson Throne as NPC's, I'd remember them, and be more interested. People who didn't buy the Runelords series won't have heard of them.
Dunno about Western style. Everytime I think of Western style, Marvel comics come to mind. Fantasy genre in that style just doesn't seem all that new to me. But, I won't knock it til I try it. Let's just see a comic or graphic novel come out.Dude, check out the art of Mark Smylie and Massimiliano Frezzato(I'd post more images, but I'm tied up at work now). And that's just for starters!
They should get plenty of image hits on Google.
Frezzato's work is nice. I dig that. The other artist is ok but not my cup of tea. Let's call up the Bizman to do some Pathfinder spreads. Simon Bizley. Now that would be wicked.
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Tonight I was at Barnes and Nobles for about two hours. I picked up Watchmen (finally, I know) and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: Black Dossier, and was poring through the three wall-sized displays that comprised the store's manga section (they never carry Berserk). As I'm looking, though, I'm remembering a lot of our recent discussions about Pathfinder fiction, and the Worlds of D&D Anthologies, and the feeling of how right those short stories felt with the shinny new edits and illustrations. I'm also noticing how comics have one wall case, and manga has three... not to mention a loiter for each case, crouched between the stacks like the store was a lending library—more then the whole sci-fi/fantasy row had. I'm also seeing manga for Warcraft, Labyrinth, Dark Crystal, Panzer Dragoon, Devil May Cry, hell, even the movies Enchanted and Ratatouille. Seems popular.
Wesley, I personally hate Mangas, and some of the recent cover art on Pathfinder APs contributed to my subscription cancellation. But who cares? Despite my personal (strong) misgivings, a Pathfinder Manga - and yes, call it a Manga! - is the smartest business decision you can make. It will keep the RPG line (APs, campaign and rule set) healthy for a long time to come. Why? Let me quote Erik Mona, interviewed by Chris Pramas on his PodCast a couple of months ago.
So I think a lot of stores just do stock D&D , and there are a lot of bigger stores, Barnes & Noble, Borders, and things like that who have an RPG section, that is either totally dominated by D&D with a few other products or is exclusively dominated by D&D - or is gone. I mean, a lot of RPG sections in those stores have become Manga. So, and it is not unusual these days to find a big store with no RPG product in it. And then worse than that even sometimes is, because D&D books rank second only to the beat poets when it comes to people stealing books, a lot of stores will put the D&D or their RPG books behind the counter where you have to ask for them specially. I can't imagine that that sells a lot of product.
There are tons of people out there who've observed the same: Mangas have pushed RPG products off the shelves in large retail stores. So just imagine you're selling your manga to kids and plaster a one page advert in the back of it (that's the front of it, of course, being a manga) "So want to be a Pathfinder hero yourself? Want to be Seoni? Check out our shiny new game and make tons of new friends online: paizo.com "
I mentioned "tons of people" who made the same observation as Erik. For your own health, check out the following post. It quotes that observation ("paizo and pathfinder and true 20 and all those other games and systems we love so much here on these boards, have essentially no presence or recognition in the world at large of potential new customers") and then concludes (in German) "and that's why I believe Pathfinder RPG has no chance as a viable business product line."
http://forum.dnd-gate.de/index.php/topic,20039.msg332657.html#msg332657
So, in conclusion. It's nice of you to come here and ask us elderly die-hard Pathfinder fans whether to make a Manga or not. Well, if some of us buy it, that's a bonus. But clearly it's not what matters. What matters is to draw in young, new players and you've just about hit on the big button to make that happen.
Count me in, with a couple of conditions:
No Lodoss Islandy cuteness. Something that looks like Record of Lodoss War itself would be acceptable.
Unlike those Warcraft mangas, treat your artists to some paint - no black/white.
Bow to these demands and the Thrice-Damned Regime and its Infernal Machinery shall support your endeavour.
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I hate to say it Wes, but you're going to have to do this now. Otherwise you will have the worst case of nerd rage that the world has ever seen. Pluse there might even bee a total fashion metal riot on our hands.
Count me in, with a couple of conditions:
No Lodoss Islandy cuteness. Something that looks like Record of Lodoss War itself would be acceptable.
Unlike those Warcraft mangas, treat your artists to some paint - no black/white.
Bow to these demands and the Thrice-Damned Regime and its Infernal Machinery shall support your endeavour.
I agree with ya. Someone mentioned earlier too, that it should be in the Korean manhwa style. Less, cute, more realistic manga style. Like Shaman Warrior by Park Joong-Ki. Less big eyes and lack of features. Shaman Warrior looks like a cross between manga, western style and natural life drawing. Search Park Joong-Ki and tell me if that wasn't in full Painter you wouldn't have a manga-face moment.
Really can't add anything more to what's already been said.
Pathfinder's art style (colors and "fanciful" background) does seem to lend itself more to the colored graphic novel format rather than the more compact black and white stylings of the manga digest format.
If there is to be an anthology style of graphic novel/manga-style storytelling, there's really not all that much out there available; Heavy Metal magazine is one such entity, Viz's Shonen Jump/Shoujo Beat might be a good source for advertising, but that's about that (they wouldn't be a good fit for a Pathfinder anthology), and Yen Press' recent Yen Plus might be a better fit for a pathfinder anthology- but it is a pretty recent newcomer to the scene.
Still, one thing that some might find of interest is that the Warcraft franchise itself not only has the manga books from Tokyopop but also has a graphic novel/comic book series out from Wildstorm publishing (part of DC comics, used to be with Image); I guess that when you've got a successful franchise, the sky's the limit. ;P
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I would love a Pathfinder graphic novel. I think a more "western" style would mesh better with Pathfinder's pulp feel than a manga comic, so I'm iffy on using manga style. Something more evocative of that old-school sword-and-sorcery would be greatly preferred.
I dont care what style is used as long as it looks good
I'd at least give a Pathfinder manga a try, although I'm a relative novice when it comes to the format.
Long time fan of western comics though, and I'd love to see something in the Devil's Due style- that would be fried gold.
A Pathfinder comic would be awesome. doesn't have to be Manga though. The only positive thing I can say about mangas is that they usually have good stories but that has little to do with them actually being mangas.
What actually makes them mangas is what annoys me: The drawing style. It ALWAYS looks the same. I like original art styles. So yes I'd like to have a pathfinder comic, but make it a manga only if you really really have to! (please)
I'd even draw it myself! (yes i can do that)
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I think I might be the first person to post this here, but:
No thanks, not interested.
Still, if the overwhelming majority wants it, it'd be stupid not to make it. Just wanted to make sure that at least SOMEONE that isn't really into graphic novels/manga/comic books/etc. was properly represented. :)