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Kirth Gersen wrote:I have Falandar at 4th right now. Derek?TriOmegaZero wrote:Also, what level should we bring next Monday?Hmmm... haven't plyed the "B Team" in a long time -- maybe bring your ranger & druid, if Derek can find Fiachra. What are they, like 5th level now?
Fiachra is 4th as well.

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Last we left them, they'd successfully escaped from Aramni, IIRC. Go ahead and elevate them to 5th, if you get a chance.
I'll find and/or adapt a suitable scenario for next week. Derek, can you handle Trog as well as Fiachra?
Well, considering she'll be my familiar soon enough, I had better be able to, huh? ;-)

Kirth Gersen |

Well, considering she'll be my familiar soon enough, I had better be able to, huh? ;-)
I'm keeping her at 4th level -- when you pick up Improved Familiar, she'll be a level or two behind (like a cohort), and then Bob the Drunk can stay under the umbrella of the Leadership feat, if you want to keep him on, too.

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houstonderek wrote:Well, considering she'll be my familiar soon enough, I had better be able to, huh? ;-)I'm keeping her at 4th level -- when you pick up Improved Familiar, she'll be a level or two behind (like a cohort), and then Bob the Drunk can stay under the umbrella of the Leadership feat, if you want to keep him on, too.
Bob is just a hireling, or, if I'm in a generous mood, a henchman. If I take leadership (which won't be for another level or so), could I bump him up to second level?

Kirth Gersen |

Bob is just a hireling, or, if I'm in a generous mood, a henchman. If I take leadership (which won't be for another level or so), could I bump him up to second level?
You could bump him to whatever level your Charisma allows, in that event (relevant quote from feat is in italics; in essence, he can be anything up to 2 levels lower than you):
LEADERSHIP (General)
Leadership Potential = [(1/2)(Class Level + Cha Modifier -5)]^2
For example, a 9th level character with a Charisma of 15 would have a leadership score of 11, and a leadership potential of 9. He could attract up to 27 first-level experts or warriors (CR 1/3 each x 27 = 9), or up to 18 first-level fighters (CR ½ each x 18 = 9), or a kennel of 5 riding dogs (CR 1 each) and 4 2nd level ranger handler (CR 1 each), etc. You may attract followers of any number and CR up to your leadership potential within the following limits:
Maximum CR: There are three types of followers you may maintain: cohorts (aides or close companions); retainers (servants or men-at-arms dedicated to your service); and hirelings (contractors with no particular loyalty to you beyond being paid). You may have up to one cohort of a maximum CR equal to your character level –1. If you still have leadership potential remaining, the maximum CR for additional retainers is equal to your character level –3. Hirelings do not count against your leadership potential.
As you gain experience, you can “level up” or advance your followers as you see fit, as long as their final CRs conform to the above restrictions.
Special: A fighter with the Leadership feat adds half his fighter level as a competence bonus to his Leadership score.

Kirth Gersen |

Derek, you'll want to check out the v. 2.0 rogue I emailed.
P.S. Weapon Finesse now scales with BAB, in such a manner that even high-Str fighters can benefit:
WEAPON FINESSE (COMBAT)
If you carry a shield, its armor check penalty applies to your attack rolls.
Special:
Source: This feat also subsumes the Agile Maneuvers feat from the core rules, and the Fury’s Fall feat from Cheliax: Empire of Devils.

kyrt-ryder |
Hardly kyrt. We've been so busy with work and our own games we've hardly had time to harass each other. :)
I just find it amusing how close to the Tome feat it is.
That is pretty amusing. I've been trying to take a tact of having generally non-scaling feats that are just extremely badass all the way through, who's benefit is just as sweet all the way up.
So far it's working out alright. After all, on a lot of those tome feats, you find yourself wondering "why the hell can't I use that part of it now?"

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I'm thinking there needs to be an option to take a feat twice to gain the higher benefit at an earlier level. Right now my monk would lose abilities if he took this Weapon Finesse, because he already has WF and Agile Maneuvers. So maybe a character can take Weapon Finesse twice to get Dex on attack rolls and CMB, and when he reaches the level he would get Dex to CMB he can take a different feat to replace the redundant feat.

Kirth Gersen |

I'm thinking there needs to be an option to take a feat twice to gain the higher benefit at an earlier level. Right now my monk would lose abilities if he took this Weapon Finesse, because he already has WF and Agile Maneuvers. So maybe a character can take Weapon Finesse twice to get Dex on attack rolls and CMB, and when he reaches the level he would get Dex to CMB he can take a different feat to replace the redundant feat.
Agile maneuvers has been rolled into Weapon Finesse, eliminating a redundant feat entirely. Your monk takes Weapon Finesse and it applies to attack rolls and CMB at 1st level. The other feat he originally burned on Agile Maneuvers can now be spent on something useful instead.

Andostre |

*cough*
I've put up a very compressed character sheet on this alias' profile, should you guys need to reference it while I'm on hiatus.
Kirth, would any of the following skills be useful in figuring out if we can use the giant amulet on the dying demon to keep the dam running?
Knowledge (Lore) 11
Knowledge (Planes) 11
Spellcraft 12

Kirth Gersen |

*cough*
Agun Glengrim wrote:I've put up a very compressed character sheet on this alias' profile, should you guys need to reference it while I'm on hiatus.
Kirth, would any of the following skills be useful in figuring out if we can use the giant amulet on the dying demon to keep the dam running?
Knowledge (Lore) 11
Knowledge (Planes) 11
Spellcraft 12
You're guessing that, if the demon is strong enough to be sustained by the amulet, he's also strong enough to teleport away once you break the circle. A better bet is to put another demon in the other circle...

kyrt-ryder |
Sorry for the threadjack, but Kirth, TOZ, (and others) I'm curious your thoughts on this thread fixing the critical effect feats

Kirth Gersen |

Meanwhile, not to jump the gun, but once you guys are done, Mr. C will have a message for Cadogan:
We got a piece of, uh, "merchandise" in which I am led to believe you would potentially have a particular innerest. The thing is, the price tag is a bit high -- more than I pay you, and more than you skim on the side with your other operations (and don't think for a second I don't know about 'em, kid). Still, I'd like to offer you, uh, let's call it "first refusal." The market value of the object in question is 82,000 sterling -- a bit of a joke, seeing as the guy I acquired it from was using it as a garbage disposal, until I fed him to it.
Now, it could be that I know where you can get the money. Naturally I'd expect my usual cut. So whaddya say -- you innerested? If not, I got others who are."

Kirth Gersen |

Sorry for the threadjack, but Kirth, TOZ, (and others) I'm curious your thoughts on this thread fixing the critical effect feats
Check it out. I can email or post some more Strike feats if you're interested.

kyrt-ryder |
kyrt-ryder wrote:Sorry for the threadjack, but Kirth, TOZ, (and others) I'm curious your thoughts on this thread fixing the critical effect featsCheck it out. I can email or post some more Strike feats if you're interested.
Posting more is cool. I'm curious to see how that discussion builds up.

Cadogan |

Meanwhile, not to jump the gun, but once you guys are done, Mr. C will have a message for Cadogan:** spoiler omitted **
Oooooohhhhh....
I think I know what this is.
I am going to move heaven and earth to come up with the 82k for this.
Or, you know, rob some rich folk or something.

Kirth Gersen |

I am going to move heaven and earth to come up with the 82k for this.
The only place outsida the Royal Treasury for that kind of silver -- and no, we ain't robbing the treasury (at this time) -- the only other place is Benambra's horde. One of those secret underworld-god cults; they worship death or something. Yeah, I know, it's stupid, to hold something so cheap in such high regard, but people do not always act in their best innerest, you unnerstand?
The thing is, you want to run a cult to Nerull or Hades or whatever, it's not a legitimate temple, which means there's no heat if we pull off the operation. No political consequences; no legal complications of any kind -- a clean score, except of course for the, uh, former owners. But that's the thing. A god with no worshipers, I'm thinking, inn't much of a god.
Of course there's a catch. Secret cults are secret. People have been looking for Benambra's Gold for decades, and ain't found it.
Listen to me carefully, Cadogan. We have ways of knowing things that most people do not. You want to remember that.
We have a guy in the temple. You want to ask me if he's "trustworthy"? No, of course not, with that amount of money at stake. So we're going to send someone else in, to realize our investment, so to speak. You want to be that guy. You clean the place out, even the light fixtures. You bring it all back here.
Your share of the operation is 82,000 sterling. So, what you say, kid?

Cadogan |

Cadogan wrote:I am going to move heaven and earth to come up with the 82k for this.** spoiler omitted **

Kirth Gersen |

** spoiler omitted **
Mr. C. doesn't much care who you bring (within reason) or what you do, as long as you bring back the loot. The "catch" is the next sentence after that: a not-so-subtle warning to Cadogan not to get cute; translation: "we found the top secret horde that everyone has been looking for for decates; we can sure as hell find you if you even think about walking out before you make the delivery." Just in case he decides the full score is worth more than an 82K trinket.
Oh, and how to motivate allies to help? That's Cadogan's problem.
Mr. C. is not interested in ground-level details like that.

Kirth Gersen |

Agun: Killing the hag covey has stopped the magically-induced precipitation. Using your runestone, you can summon a runehound into the empty circle to get the dam to "click on" enough to alleviate the pressure and keep it from breaking. That would buy you more than enough time to get back to the University of Hylore and commission a scroll of lesser planar binding to put a longer-term "battery" into place (enough to power the dam for a few seasons).
Also, Agun's been attending the University for two years now; it's reasonable to assume that he's taking electives as well as applied wizardry classes. You can therefore take 1 level of Expert (the NPC class) without it affecting his CR (much like Cadogan has that 1 near-useless level of psion). That'll give you something to do while you're out!
P.S. Merry Christmas to you and the wife (and I assume the baby by now as well)!

Kirth Gersen |

Kirth, was it your intent to move Fast Healing to the regular Ranger Lore list? It still mentions it as an advanced talent, did you mean to edit that to a minimum level requirement?
Ugh -- errata and FAQ starts already!
Delete the word "advanced." Insert the following sentence: "You must be at least 5th level to gain this lore."

Kirth Gersen |

I see Backswing has the 6 BAB requirement, but not Overhand Chop. Is that a v2 change, collapsed down into one feat?
OVERHAND CHOP (STRIKE)
When wielding a two-handed melee weapon, you can deliver a devastating blow.Prerequisites: Str 13, base attack bonus +6.
Benefit: As a standard action, make a single attack with a two-handed melee weapon. If you hit, roll damage normally but add double your Strength bonus to the damage roll. This multiplier scales with your base attack bonus, according to the following table.
Base Attack Bonus / Strength Bonus Multiplier
+6 / 2x
+11 / 2.5x
+16 / 3x
Normal: You normally add 1½ times your Strength modifier to damage rolls with a two-handed weapon.
Source: This feat supersedes the variant class feature of the same name from the Pathfinder Advanced Player’s Guide.

Kirth Gersen |

Cyz gave me FTP access, so I can host the files if you want an easily linkable place for sharing online.
That would be out of sight! If you could periodically update the docs there with the errata (or just give me editing permission like we had before), we can keep something of an up-to-date Aviona SRD going.

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That would be out of sight! If you could periodically update the docs there with the errata (or just give me editing permission like we had before), we can keep something of an up-to-date Aviona SRD going.
We can talk it over together tomorrow. Just to warn you, the domain name is spunsugar.net so... :)