
AinvarG |

I just wanted to update you all. I am going to try to post the new up-to-date map tomorrow. Sorry for the inconvenience regarding lack of mapping. Hopefully, once it's done, I can get back to mapping for combats. Thanks, all, for your patience.
Hey, it's a game. No worries here. I'm just glad you're doing it.
And as if you didn't have anything else going on, you had to start over, too. Thanks for doing it in the first place.

Black Tom |

I'm going away to Taizé (France) for a week and will hopefully be far from any keyboard. I'll be back on Monday 22.
On a related note, please let me know if you're going to be away for any extended period of time. After this week I'll be in town and hope to be able to keep the game running for the whole summer.
If there are going to be characters missing, either we could arrange for someone to run them for you or just play some excursion with a smaller party.

Black Tom |

... Mork calling Proteus. Come in, Proteus...
There seems to be a spot open, and I'll switch out Proteus and Chris for Petra and Felicia as soon as we've finished the other campaign. Hope you're all good with that.
...and I still have the urge to start another PBP using War of the Burning Sky and PFRPG rules, and I'm holding two spots for Ainvar and Kevin. But more about that later.

Zark |

<---is confused.
Your going to switch out Chris for Petra, Zark? I don't mind at all just curious as to why.
I think is to much hassle with the wolf. Also I guess we need a healer.
I like Chris better as a character, his background anyway, but I have to roll for both Chris and the wolf and I'm just to lazy to like it.Your thought?

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I tend to agree that animal companions double the work for a PBP character. Plus, the Sandros/Ka'kara duo tend to have that melee part covered (not that we don't always appreciate more muscle). Petra sounds like a great character, will be welcomed with open arms, fills the spot vacated by Proteus, and her healing abilities will be greatly appreciated by a certain barbarian who gets hit way too often. Definitely go with what feels right for you.

Zark |

I tend to agree that animal companions double the work for a PBP character. Plus, the Sandros/Ka'kara duo tend to have that melee part covered (not that we don't always appreciate more muscle). Petra sounds like a great character, will be welcomed with open arms, fills the spot vacated by Proteus, and her healing abilities will be greatly appreciated by a certain barbarian who gets hit way too often. Definitely go with what feels right for you.
Thanx :-) I really appreciate the feedback!

Black Tom |

nice. BT said he would let us all do a certain amount of retconning our characters so if the druid get the healing domain I might go for chris if BT will let me
Oh yeah. I'm on vacation and feeling mellow. Knock yourselves out.
That also means that if Sandros should want to go pure fighter after all I have no problem with that. There is bound to be changes after all, and I'd like you to be able to take advantage of any new options there may be.

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Well, now that you mention it, I have a third cousin twice removed named Felicia. She's a marvelous storyteller! You should hear her! I remember once, she...
Oh. Sorry. Wrong thread.
Admittedly this was originally a joke over something that happened in the other thread but I've been thinking that something like this could actually work.

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That also means that if Sandros should want to go pure fighter after all I have no problem with that. There is bound to be changes after all, and I'd like you to be able to take advantage of any new options there may be.
'Preciate the offer, but I think with the half-elf favored class bonus I'm good where I am. I have to admit, if I'd been picking favored classes when the game began, I would have picked fighter and rogue, but the wizard thing is working out.
'Sides, I might try the straight-fighter route for my next Pathfinder Society character instead. Sandros II may just go to work for the Decemvirate....

AinvarG |

Roylenna Brenoien wrote:Admittedly this was originally a joke over something that happened in the other thread but I've been thinking that something like this could actually work.Well, now that you mention it, I have a third cousin twice removed named Felicia. She's a marvelous storyteller! You should hear her! I remember once, she...
Oh. Sorry. Wrong thread.
Sure, why not? If you want to pursue it, you might want to look at the background for Roylenna, buried somewhere around here. It's a family thing, sort of. She'd be tickled to have family along in the party, if a little more protective!

AinvarG |

In case it wasn't obvious, I'm at GenCon through the weekend. I will be checking in at night, but don't expect much from me (though if you feel like following my Twitter adventures, you can check out @Shisumo)....
HEY! Wait a minute! It's Thursday! Inquiring minds want to know!
Sheesh. ;-)

Black Tom |

We're officially converting this campaign to the new core rules, so please go ahead and update. Feel free to retcon your characters as needed, changing feat and skill selection (and even classes if you need). Just tell me what you'll do.
Also we'll be dropping Proteus and Chris for Felicia and Petra. I'll resume the game thread when the dust has cleared somewhat.

Black Tom |

Thanks. Er, about that: I forgot to mention that to have a chance to keep up, Petra and Felicia will also get an XP boost, putting them at 3800. That goes for Mahaffy, too, who should actually have a little more, say 4050.
So you can level up Felicia to level 2. Hope that is good news.

AinvarG |

Great - got up on my soapbox and posted in the wrong thread. Grr...
So, any suggestions for retconning a certain little girl?
Conversion: <Blech> I still think the second level for the sorcerer stinks and have no regrets for taking a level of bard first in the beta rules. Now her trademark ability has been seriously reined in making her bloodline less attractive from the get-go. <Blech>
OK, here's my thoughts -- I don't want to second-guess myself from here 'til Christmas and I know that at least two members of the party think I shouldn't have digressed into my (beta-rule) favored class. And now we have a bard in the party, anyway. So I will trade the level of bard for another level of sorcerer and I'll make sorcerer her favored class instead. Which means she will lose skill points, save bonus, spells per day, and spells known, in addition to the abilities of the bard class itself. But she will gain "favored class" skill points instead.
Her bloodline arcana focuses on summoning creatures and at this time she has no summoning spells, so I guess the logical choice for her new sorcerer spell will be from whatever Summoning spells are available at this level. Haven't looked yet, I assume Summon Monster I?
Since her ray has been seriously nerfed as an offensive weapon, I find Point Blank Shot and Precise Shot less compelling choices for feats. Would Spell Focus (Conjuration) and Augment Summoning be reasonable replacements?
Open to suggestions and comments, as I always am when it's time to level up.

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Great - got up on my soapbox and posted in the wrong thread. Grr...
So, any suggestions for retconning a certain little girl?
AinvarG wrote:Conversion: <Blech> I still think the second level for the sorcerer stinks and have no regrets for taking a level of bard first in the beta rules. Now her trademark ability has been seriously reined in making her bloodline less attractive from the get-go. <Blech>
OK, here's my thoughts -- I don't want to second-guess myself from here 'til Christmas and I know that at least two members of the party think I shouldn't have digressed into my (beta-rule) favored class. And now we have a bard in the party, anyway. So I will trade the level of bard for another level of sorcerer and I'll make sorcerer her favored class instead. Which means she will lose skill points, save bonus, spells per day, and spells known, in addition to the abilities of the bard class itself. But she will gain "favored class" skill points instead.
Her bloodline arcana focuses on summoning creatures and at this time she has no summoning spells, so I guess the logical choice for her new sorcerer spell will be from whatever Summoning spells are available at this level. Haven't looked yet, I assume Summon Monster I?
Since her ray has been seriously nerfed as an offensive weapon, I find Point Blank Shot and Precise Shot less compelling choices for feats. Would Spell Focus (Conjuration) and Augment Summoning be reasonable replacements?
Open to suggestions and comments, as I always am when it's time to level up.
Well to be honest what your suggesting seems like a big redefining of the character so I would leave it as is for the most part. For example Point blank shot and precise shot apply to all ranged to hit attacks Including those from wands and the like(as far as I know)

AinvarG |

Well to be honest what your suggesting seems like a big redefining of the character so I would leave it as is for the most part. For example Point blank shot and precise shot apply to all ranged to hit attacks Including those from wands and the like(as far as I know)AinvarG wrote:
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Since her ray has been seriously nerfed as an offensive weapon, I find Point Blank Shot and Precise Shot less compelling choices for feats. Would Spell Focus (Conjuration) and Augment Summoning be reasonable replacements?
Open to suggestions and comments, as I always am when it's time to level up.
True, but rules change has pretty much redefined the character for me. The only reason I took those feats was to enhance her Heavenly Fire, which was an at-will ability doing a base 1d6 of damage. Now, she can only use it 6 times a day for a base of 1d4. Two feats is pretty expensive to enhance a 6/day ability. The newly-added Bloodline Arcana ability for Celestial grants DR to summoned creatures, so I'm thinking perhaps I should be enhancing those summoned creatures instead. You are correct, of course, those feats also apply to crossbow attacks and other magical rays. OK, jury's out on that -- I'm not liking the conversion to completely redefine her, either.

Black Tom |

I agree that Roylenna was hit pretty badly with the nerf bat, even if I sympathize with the changes. I've been pondering this for a while, and I'd say that the options that look most reasonable to me is to either swap out the bard level for a level of rogue to preserve the skill points and add some sting to the Heavenly Fire (at least sometimes) or just to bite the bullet and go all sorcerer. In the latter case Augment Summoning would seem reasonable as a feat choice. Even if it redefines the character, I liked what Quick was able to do with a similar ability and I think Roylenna could give her own twist to it.
That's just my 2 cp. As a DM I don't really want to push you in any direction. You could even keep the bard level, but having two bards is a little redundant.

Zark |

Thanks. Er, about that: I forgot to mention that to have a chance to keep up, Petra and Felicia will also get an XP boost, putting them at 3800. That goes for Mahaffy, too, who should actually have a little more, say 4050.
So you can level up Felicia to level 2. Hope that is good news.
Thanx. So can Petra get any items she wants?
I need to to do some minor changes to her, but she be alright.
AinvarG |

Another possibility I suppose is you could see If black Tom would be willing to let her change the bloodline?
He seems to be pretty open to different options, but I've already tossed that idea out as too far to go.
I'm pretty sure she'll be a 3rd-level Sorcerer (Celestial), but I'm still debating the feats. I might ignore the Bloodline Arcana for the moment and pick up a ray spell that would benefit from her original feat selection. As open as BT is, I'm not comfortable with completely redefining the character even after only three levels.
Hmm... Seems that Ray of Enfeeblement might be the only choice for a 1st-level spell. Sound good?

AinvarG |

OK, Roylenna's now converted to the official PRPG rules. I whacked two-thirds of her skills and trimmed ranks from what remained until I had what I think is in keeping with her concept. The rest was pretty easy - reduce her Reflex and Will saves, throw away half of her spells, etc.
OK, it's off my chest and I'm tired of hearing me complain. Back to the carefree personality that created the little cutie in the first place!
Not much doubt she's going to have to be a support specialist. Not likely that I will waste her Heavenly Fire on bad guys now. Bless is a nice addition to her repetoire and frees a probable slot for the cleric. That and Enlarge Person kind of define what she will do when combat happens.
One thing - I did not know what her bard hit point roll was and I couldn't keep the d8, so I re-rolled all of her hit points. Hope that's cool, BT -- she actually gained two hit points. Her previous rolls must have really stunk -- these weren't great.
Anyway, she's ready!