These are feats from complete Scoundrel;
NAME
Swift Ambusher
Prereq: Skirmish +1d6/+1 AC, sneak attack +1d6
Benefit: Rogue and scout levels stack for skirmish bonuses
NAME
Swift Hunter
Prereq: Favored enemy, skirmish +1d6/+1 AC
Benefit: Ranger and scout levels stack for skirmish bonuses, favored enemies
Looking for suggestions/comments on this feat --
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Stealthy Hunter
Prereq: Sneak Attack +2d6, Favored Enemy
Benefit: Ranger and rogue levels stack for Sneak attack bonuses, favored enemies
Skirmish 1d6/+1 Ac is scout 3rd level ability.
Sneak attack 2d6 is a Rogue 3rd level ability.
Yes, Sneak attack goes up to 10d6 while skirmish only goes to 5d6.
BUT - Skirmish also adds +5 AC and can be used without having to flank or surprise.
Scout does need a 10 ft move to skirmish.
Rogue needs circumstances for sneak attack to work
I see this as the Ranger/Rogue hunting her prey, hidden in the bush and Shoots a perfect arrow for the kill. Or sneaks(rogue and ranger class skills) up to her prey and performs a quick finishing blow. And adding to favored enemies bonus with rogue levels makes sense as rogues(Sneak Attack) tend to know the best ways to kill things anyway.
I think it's pretty balanced.
Let me know what you think.
Estragon
p.s.
A 20th level rogue10/scout10 swift ambusher can move 10 ft to flank (or be invisible, etc) and do +5d6 sneak attack bonus, +5d6 skirmish bonus AND get a +5 competence bonus to AC
A 20th level ranger10/scout10 swift hunter Has full favored enemy bonuses, can move 10 ft to do +5d6 skirmish bonus AND get a +5 competence bonus to AC
A 20th level rogue10/ranger10 stealthy hunter can flank(or be invisible, etc) and do +10d6 sneak attack bonus, and gets full favored enemy bonuses.
Seems pretty even.
These are feats from complete Scoundrel;
NAME
Swift Hunter
Prereq: Favored enemy, skirmish +1d6/+1 AC
Benefit: Ranger and scout levels stack for skirmish bonuses, favored enemies
OK
I've updated the feat a little.
STEALTHY HUNTER
You combine your knowledge of anatomy learned as a rogue and your strong hunting abilities.
Prereq: Sneak Attack +2d6, Favored Enemy
Benefit:
Your rogue levels and 1/2 your ranger levels stack for the purpose of determining the extra damage granted for sneak attack. For example, a 4th-level rogue/3nd level ranger would deal an extra 3d6 damage when using sneak attach, as if she were a 5th level rogue.
Your ranger levels and 1/2 your rogue levels stack for the purpose of determining when you select additional favored enemies, as well as the total bonus granted against your favored enemies. For example, a 4th-level rogue/3rd level ranger would have two favored enemies and could allocate an extra +2 bonus against one of those favored enemies as if she were a 5th level ranger.
SWIFT HUNTER also adds;
In addition, your skirmish extra damage applies against
any creature you have selected as a favored enemy, even if
it is normally immune to extra damage from critical hits
or skirmish attacks.
I felt leaving this out and halving the levels stacking brings this closer to being workable and not broken.
Let me know what you think.
Estragon
Looks OK, but is it balanced with the Hide in Plain Sight the Ranger gets? Especially with 2 weapon fighting, you're getting 70d6 points of extra damage at higher levels (+70 against some enemies).
Looks OK, but is it balanced with the Hide in Plain Sight the Ranger gets? Especially with 2 weapon fighting, you're getting 70d6 points of extra damage at higher levels (+70 against some enemies).
70d6? +70? is this a typo?
a 20th level 10rogue/10 ranger would have a possible +8d6 sneak attack and a possible +8 damage to one favored enemy. (effective 15rogue/15ranger)
For him to get Hide in plain sight, he would have to be a ranger17/rogue3.
a 20th level 3rogue/17ranger would have a possible 6d6 sneak attack and a possible +8 to damage to one favored enemy. (effective 11 rogue/18 ranger)
I can see how hide in plain sight can be abused. It is limited to a "natural terrain". Does attempting to hide in plain sight count as a standard action? a move action? Can he do a full attack round then HiPS then do a full attack the next round?
Hmmm..
Thanks for the comment, and any further feedback would be appreciated.
Estragon
Oh, I see the 70d6+70 now. It would be maxed at 48d6 +48(8d6X6 +8X6) at 20th with a 10rogue/10ranger with this feat though(bonus from feat only applies to 1/2 level)
The 2WF is a bonus for multi-classing to ranger, yes. But a rogue gets 4 bonus feats (special ability) by 20th and can take the full tree anyway. And this does burn one feat.
Any feat can probably be abused I suppose.
Look at swift ambusher;
A 20th level rogue17/scout3 swift ambusher can move 10 ft to flank (or be invisible, etc) and do +9d6 sneak attack bonus, +5d6 skirmish bonus AND get a +5 competence bonus to AC. Or just have +9d6 Sneak attack damage without moving.
Estragon
Not that this makes the feat any more balanced. But a 7th level rogue can jump into 1 level of Shadow Dancer and get a Hide in Plain Sight that works in any terrain as long as she is within 10 feet of some sort of shadow.
Estragon
A new version of the feat. Based more off of favored enemy.
Stealthy Hunter
You combine your knowledge of anatomy learned as a rogue with your strong hunting abilities.
Prereq: Sneak Attack +2d6, Favored Enemy
For every +2 bonus granted against the ranger's favored enemy, a character with the Stealthy Hunter feat adds +1d6 damage to sneak attacks against that enemy.
In addition, this extra sneak attack damage applies against any creature you have selected as a favored enemy, even if it is normally immune to extra damage from critical hits or sneak attacks.
Also - your ranger and rogue levels stack for the purpose of determining when you select additional favored enemies, as well as the total bonus granted against your favored enemies. For example, a 4th-level rogue/1st-level ranger would have two favored enemies and could allocate an extra +2 bonus against one of those favored enemies, as if
she were a 5th-level ranger.
Better? Worse? Same?
A makeover of the feat
Stealthy Hunter
You combine your knowledge of anatomy learned as a rogue with your strong hunting abilities.
Prereq: Sneak Attack +2d6, Favored Enemy.
You have a +3 rogue level (up to your number of HD) when determining Sneak attack bonus against your Favored enemies only. Example, a 4th level rogue/1st level ranger would apply +3d6 sneak attack damage against favored enemies and +2d6 sneak attack damage to all other creatures.
You have a +3 ranger level (up to your number of HD) when determining Favored enemies bonus. For example, a 4th-level rogue/1st-level ranger would have two favored enemies and could allocate an extra +2 bonus against one of those favored enemies, as if she were a 5th-level ranger.
In addition, this extra sneak attack damage applies against any creature you have selected as a favored enemy, even if it is normally immune to extra damage from critical hits or sneak attacks.
[This essentially allows a max +2d6 extra sneak attack damage against favored enemies only, and a max 1 extra level of favored enemies (+2/+2)]
Suggestions? comments? wanna throw eggs at me?
Estragon