*Yawn*
I give up. I guess I'll have to wait for my printed copy, and spend countless hours retyping (and translating) infos for my players...
A headstart would have been nice.
- Zorg
Rangers have a Paragon Path named Pathfinder ...
Stop wasting your time on 4e and go do something besides troll.
Trolling / wasting time looking for illegal leaked copies of 4E... I couldn't make up my mind which to do. Sorry.
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selectable text would have been better.
The text is selectable. :P
I'm also kind of on the side of the coin of purposeful leak. Those Workpdf's must have been arround at least as long as the books have been printed if not a while longer which means either wizzzies dropped the ball or these are actually scans of early copies. Either way, I'm not sure its going to affect the sales a whole lot, I know I'm not gonna be canceling my preorder...
They're dated 10/03/08. That's about the time the books went to print, so they're very close to being as is.
I don't think it'll effect sales.
Well, I speak for myself, but I usualy download PDFs before deciding whether I'll buy the hardcopy or not.
- Zorg
Its true, and I know exactly what site you guys are all checking now :P
I bought the books off amazon already too.
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Does anyone know what this does to Wizards of the Coasts' copyright/intellectual property/licensing rights if they do not try to challenge these copies or shut them down?
It does the exact same thing all the illegal pdfs of 3e have done to the designation of closed content vs. open content: absolutely NOTHING.
I cannot find it either. :( so any other hints, or even which search engine you used to find it would help. I already have bought the others from amazon and am going to be using them. But it would be nice to play the current module with a class and race combination that I would like.
The internet is a wasteland. It can be chaotic at times.
I think that's about all I can say :P
IBTL
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*Yawn*
I agree. No shock there. There's at least one post over at ENworld discussing when -- not if -- illegally scanned copies would go online.
Anyhoo, got my hardcopies from my FLGS on order. More importantly, played nine sessions of the game over the Memorial Day weekend at GameX. Quite eye-opening to see the rules in play as opposed to just reading them. (The WotC reps were nice.) Will post reviews on the experience, as well as various Paizo products (Classic Monsters, Gazetteer, and PRPG AR3), shortly.
Does anyone know what this does to Wizards of the Coasts' copyright/intellectual property/licensing rights if they do nto try to challenge these copies or shut them down?
If Wizards of the Coast themselves were responsible for leaking this, did they just accidentally make everything in the PDFs open gaming material?Where's Sebastian when you need a lawyer?
This may shock you, but on the Internet(tm) you can find illegal PDF copies of just about any D&D book you can name. I hope that didn't blow your mind. :)
I am, apparently, as dense as they come.
I am right there with you. :) I still have not found it.
Yeah, I'm pretty lost on this one. Should I start googling the abyss?
I know everyone's excited about checking out the new rules, but I'd really appreciate it if you kept the "Here's how to go download the PDFs" posts off our messageboards. Thanks.
You might want to remove Hogarth's spoiler, then.
Pointing out where to go to download copies of intellectual property on the message board of a company that lives and dies by its IP is shockingly indecent.
Pointing out where to go to download copies of intellectual property on the message board of a company that lives and dies by its IP is shockingly indecent.
There's lots of indecency about this thread :)
That said, my search skills seem to be as poor as anyone's. NOT that I'm interested in looking at the 4e rules. I guess I'll have to spend money like everyone else :P
Pointing out where to go to download copies of intellectual property on the message board of a company that lives and dies by its IP is shockingly indecent.
I agree that this thread is in poor taste and I just made it worse. Sorry.
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Pointing out where to go to download copies of intellectual property on the message board of a company that lives and dies by its IP is shockingly indecent.I agree that this thread is in poor taste and I just made it worse. Sorry.
Its okay. I feel the same way. I got overly excited about seeing the new rules and that affected my judgement. I deleted the posts where I pushed further. In the end, the right thing to do is to wait for my pre-ordered copies to arrive and that is what I will do.
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Especially on the boards of a company that does such a good job of making its products available to its customers in pdf LEGALLY. (Essentially, the Steam model of content management - your rights are tied to your account, and you can re-download at any time, to anywhere, with reasonable controls in place to prevent you from just spreading it all over the place.)
I have the 4E books (not saying how), and I am reading through them. So far, it still sucks. No multiclassing, alignment system destroyed, everything from previous editions obliterated or changed to something completely unrecognizable (two metallic dragons dropped and two new ones anyone? or how about no iron golems? succubi and erinyes are the same!?).
4E is not D&D, bottomline.
And for those that don't believe I have them, here is the ToC:
1: HOW TO PLAY . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4
A Roleplaying Game . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6
A Fantastic World . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7
What’s in a D&D Game? . . . . . . . . . . . 8
How Do You Play?. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9
The Core Mechanic . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11
Three Basic Rules . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11
2: MAKING CHARACTERS . . . . . . 12
Character Creation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 14
Race, Class, and Role . . . . . . . . . . . 14
Ability Scores . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 16
Roleplaying . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18
Alignment vs. Personality . . . . . . . 19
Making Checks . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 25
Gaining Levels . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 27
Retraining . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28
The Three Tiers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28
Character Sheet. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 30
3: CHARACTER RACES . . . . . . . . . 32
Dragonborn . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 34
Dwarf . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 36
Eladrin . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 38
Elf. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 40
Half-Elf . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 42
Halfl ing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 44
Being Small . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 44
Human . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 46
Tiefling . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 48
4: CHARACTER CLASSES . . . . . . . 50
Introducing the Classes . . . . . . . . . . . 52
Paragon Paths . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 53
Epic Destinies . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 53
Power Types and Usage . . . . . . . . 54
Power Sources . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 54
How to Read a Power . . . . . . . . . . . . 54
Cleric . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 60
Paragon Paths . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 72
Fighter . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 75
Paragon Paths . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 86
Paladin . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 89
Paragon Paths . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100
Ranger . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 103
Paragon Paths . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 113
Rogue . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 116
Paragon Paths . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 126
Warlock . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 129
Paragon Paths . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 140
Warlord . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 143
Paragon Paths . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 153
Wizard . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 156
Wizards and Rituals . . . . . . . . . . . 158
Paragon Paths . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 169
Epic Destinies . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 172
5: SKILLS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 176
Skill Training . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 178
Using Skills . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 178
Knowledge Skills . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 179
Skill Descriptions . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 180
6: FEATS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 190
Choosing Feats . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 192
Feat Descriptions . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 193
Heroic Tier Feats . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 193
Paragon Tier Feats . . . . . . . . . . . . 202
Epic Tier Feats . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .206
Multiclass Feats . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .208
7: EQUIPMENT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 210
Coins and Currency . . . . . . . . . . . . . 212
Armor and Shields . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 212
Weapons . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 215
Adventuring Gear . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 221
Magic Items . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 223
Identifying Magic Items . . . . . . . . 223
Armor . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 227
Weapons . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 232
Holy Symbols . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 236
Orbs . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 238
Rods . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 239
Staff s . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 241
Wands . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 242
Arms Slot Items . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .244
Feet Slot Items . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 246
Hands Slot Items . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 247
Head Slot Items . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 248
Neck Slot Items . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 249
Rings . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 251
Waist Slot Items . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 252
Wondrous Items . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 253
Potions . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 255
8: ADVENTURING . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 256
Quests . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 258
Encounters . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 258
Rewards . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 259
Exploration . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 260
Rest and Recovery . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 263
9: COMBAT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .264
The Combat Sequence . . . . . . . . . . 266
Visualizing the Action . . . . . . . . . 266
Initiative . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 267
The Surprise Round . . . . . . . . . . . 267
Action Types . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 267
Taking Your Turn . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 268
Attacks and Defenses . . . . . . . . . . . 269
Attack Types . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 270
Choosing Targets. . . . . . . . . . . . . . 272
Attack Roll . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 273
Defenses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 274
Bonuses and Penalties . . . . . . . . . 275
Attack Results . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 276
Durations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 278
Saving Throws . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 279
Attack Modifi ers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 279
Combat Advantage . . . . . . . . . . . 279
Cover and Concealment . . . . . . .280
Targeting What You Can’t See . 281
Movement and Position . . . . . . . . . 282
Creature Size and Space . . . . . . . 282
Speed . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 283
Tactical Movement . . . . . . . . . . . . 283
Falling . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .284
Flanking . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 285
Pull, Push, and Slide . . . . . . . . . . . 285
Teleportation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 286
Phasing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 286
Actions in Combat . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 286
Action Points . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 286
Aid Another . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 287
Basic Attack . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 287
Bull Rush . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 287
Charge . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 287
Coup de Grace . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 288
Crawl . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 288
Delay . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 288
Escape . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 288
Grab . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .290
Opportunity Attack . . . . . . . . . . .290
Ready an Action . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 291
Run . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 291
Second Wind . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 291
Shift . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 292
Squeeze . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 292
Stand Up . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 292
Total Defense . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 292
Use a Power . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 292
Walk . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 292
Healing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 293
Healing in Combat . . . . . . . . . . . . 293
Regeneration . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 293
Temporary Hit Points . . . . . . . . . 293
Death and Dying . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 295
Knocking Creatures
Unconscious . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 295
Healing the Dying . . . . . . . . . . . . . 295
10: RITUALS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 296
Acquiring and Mastering a Ritual . 298
Performing a Ritual . . . . . . . . . . . . . 298
How to Read a Ritual . . . . . . . . . . . . 299
Ritual Descriptions . . . . . . . . . . . . . .300
PLAYTESTER CREDITS . . . . . . . 316
INDEX . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 317
CHARACTER SHEET . . . . . . . . . 318
D&D IS DEAD! Long live Gygax's memory in 1E-3E!
Eh, whatever helps him sleep at night. I'm still going through them, ravenously consuming all the crunchy bits. So far its been a good read.
finally people agree 4th edition has NOTHING to do with dnd..........took long enough :)
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No multiclassing, alignment system destroyed, everything from previous editions obliterated or changed to something completely unrecognizable (two metallic dragons dropped and two new ones anyone? or how about no iron golems? succubi and erinyes are the same!?).
You multiclass through feats. You take the feat you want to become the other class. Then you take feats to swap powers of the class you are with the class you're multiclassed with.
I'd bet Iron Golems will be in the MM2.
Succubus and Erinyes.. old news. As is the change to demons and devils.
