¿How fits the clases of Book of Nine Swords in Golarion? Lately I am using it much and with the "oriental-look" of some of the Pathfinder creatures (in particular fire giants) I think it fits well ¿What's your opinion?
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The only thing that might be out of place is the desert wind stuff (manifesting flames is not typical behaviour for Varisian fighters) but I can imagine cool explanations for that (Shoanti = shamanic rituals/blessings, Chelaxians = devilish pact whilst in the womb, Varisian = "hey, i'm a wierd magical gypsy and all my sisters are sorcerers; what did you expect?").
I can defintiely picture a stealthy or flamboyant Varisian Swordsage, an in-touch-with-the-elements, calm-in-the-eye-of-the-storm Shoanti Swordsage or a tough-as-nails, military academy graduated Chelaxian Warblade.
I'm curious about this as well. I keep trying to find a place to 'test the waters' with martial adepts, and I wonder of Golarion might not be a good place to try it out. Since my campaign is gestalt, I might try it out on some of the notable NPCs. Not sure how well it would go thematically with any of the giants (though rune giants with Warblade levels would just be sick...)
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In the most recent PF (7), the pathfinder journal is talking about a Shaonti tribe whose initiation rite is basically running away from/through fire. Shaonti would be a good fit for a Bot9S char, I think. Maybe even from that particular tribe.
If you haven't used Bot9S before, beware the power creep! :D
Be warned that the Book of Nine Swords is very overpowered and will make anyone playing a regular class from the Players Handbook feeling.. very weak.
At first sight it can seem overpowered but BoNS only improve the useless warrior class (barbarian is at the level of any of the clases of the manual).
I had players with it in two campaigns (and in the new Rise of the Runelords one of my players have another) and they are good character with versatile abilities but definitely no overpowered.
Be warned that the Book of Nine Swords is very overpowered and will make anyone playing a regular class from the Players Handbook feeling.. very weak.
I don't want to get into this again, but you are sort of right. Anyone playing a PHB melee class (except maybe the Barbarian) will indeed feel quite weak next to a ToB class, but the casters will still dominate. All ToB does is allow melee to compete with casters past level 8 or so.
As for fitting ToB into Golarion, I don't really see the problem. Warblades fit wherever fighters currently fit (the flavor for both is practically identical), Crusaders fit wherever Paladins currently fit (and now you have "Paladins" for all the alignments), and therefore make perfect Hellknights, and Swordsages replace monks, and maybe any "Gish" type character. I have already replaced Tsuto with a swordsage3, Orik with a Warblad 2/fighter2, and Nualia with a Crusader3 / Cleric 3. If you want to check out the builds, check out this thread.
Thanks, that will help me a lot!
Swordsages in Golarion would be a dream come true. I suspect though that thanks to OGL issues they won't make an appearance.
Unless of course one of Paizo's eminently cunning writers can do a spot of translation and create a new class of magic-wielding katana masters that bears a suspicious resemblance. After all, we're waiting to discover the identity of the mysterious 12th iconic...
Assuming this iconic isn't one of James Jacobs' brand new Golarion Pseudodragons, that is...
Excuse me, what is it that of 12th iconic?
Thanks in advance.
Excuse me, what is it that of 12th iconic?They haven't revealed it yet, so nothing to talk about.
Excuse me(I supose that it is a newbie question but...), what's the iconic?
Thanks in advance and please forgive my poor english.
Be warned that the Book of Nine Swords is very overpowered and will make anyone playing a regular class from the Players Handbook feeling.. very weak.I don't want to get into this again, but you are sort of right. Anyone playing a PHB melee class (except maybe the Barbarian) will indeed feel quite weak next to a ToB class, but the casters will still dominate. All ToB does is allow melee to compete with casters past level 8 or so.
Even if true - something I don't concede unless one includes the Spell Compendium - it still raises the power level of the party and is therefore something to be concerned about. Especially at the levels between around 5th-9th or so when the Tomb of Battle Martial Classes are really spectacularly potent.
Even if true - something I don't concede unless one includes the Spell Compendium - it still raises the power level of the party and is therefore something to be concerned about. Especially at the levels between around 5th-9th or so when the Tomb of Battle Martial Classes are really spectacularly potent.
The power raises if you chages a fighter for a Book of Nine Swords class, equally if you changes a fighter for a barbarian (a class at the level of the BoNS). In conclusion, the problem isn't of the BoNS classes is of the fighter.
The Spell Compendium and the first four completes (the four last no) are usually in my table ;)
I have thought about Windsong Abbey as the "training camp" for Crusaders. As I am reading Edge of Anarchy there forms the idea to do something with Vencarlo Orisini and his pupils as well. Let's see. :)
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Excuse me, what is it that of 12th iconic?They haven't revealed it yet, so nothing to talk about.Excuse me(I supose that it is a newbie question but...), what's the iconic?
Thanks in advance and please forgive my poor english.
The iconics are the characters you can find in the back of the Pathfinders and the Modules. Characters built to give a view of the flavor of Golarion; much like Lidda, Tordek, and their ilk are in the WotC books, only here we have them actually fleshed out numerous times.
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The iconics are the characters you can find in the back of the Pathfinders and the Modules. Characters built to give a view of the flavor of Golarion; much like Lidda, Tordek, and their ilk are in the WotC books, only here we have them actually fleshed out numerous times.Excuse me, what is it that of 12th iconic?They haven't revealed it yet, so nothing to talk about.Excuse me(I supose that it is a newbie question but...), what's the iconic?
Thanks in advance and please forgive my poor english.
And unlike the WotC Iconics, the Paizo ones are actually cool.
The iconics are the characters you can find in the back of the Pathfinders and the Modules. Characters built to give a view of the flavor of Golarion; much like Lidda, Tordek, and their ilk are in the WotC books, only here we have them actually fleshed out numerous times.
Oh, Ok ¡Thanks man! ;)
Tome of Battle is not overpowered. In fact, for the first 6 levels, a fighter and a warblade are roughly on par, and the fighter has a slight edge. They do start pulling away at higher levels, but that's just where the fighter starts getting more and more useless because of the exponentially rising power of full casters. And even then, martial adepts can't compete with a cheesed-out fighter or barbarian for sheer damage output. They do, however, have access to a wide variety of options besides "I Power Attack for full", and therefore are less often faced with situations in which they can't contribute something. I encourage Tome of Battlein any campaign.