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While overall somewhat interesting the one thing that stood out the most in this article was something that shouldn't have. I quote, "After flipping through the pages of this article." As if I am going to spend half the $30 ink cartrige to print this using my printer.
On a good note I also caught the reference to "The Apocalypse Stone".
I'm...displeased with the presentation of my namesake...*holds down the fury inside*
And the timing does indeed seem to be...odd.
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Well, unless i am completely off on my "mythological roots of popular culture" here, Lilith is portrait as a seductress - in addition to her almost Lamashtu-like role as a demonic mother of monsters, and more recent interpretation as "empowered woman".
Oh well, seems like Shami and Mal have another contender for the crown of "succubus queen"... err... Wait a second...
It was in the presentation of the flavor text that irritated me the most, I think - setting her up as a second fiddle to anybody kinda defeats the archetype she represents. I understand that this is a fantasy game, but really, using a real-world mythological figure should be a little bit more interesting than what we were given.
*shakes fists, stomps some more, yells "Gojirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrra" and goes to destroy*
Shami-Amourae and Malcanthet would last about two milliseconds against Lilith before she made them realize who's the real Queen of the Succubi. At least, my version of Lilith. ;)
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It was in the presentation of the flavor text that irritated me the most, I think - setting her up as a second fiddle to anybody kinda defeats the archetype she represents. I understand that this is a fantasy game, but really, using a real-world mythological figure should be a little bit more interesting than what we were given.
Well, heck, if WotC can take a page from my playbook, I can certainly take a page from theirs. I think it might be fun to do up a corrected, real version of Lilith in the Princes of Hell series in Kobold Quarterly sometime.
I would have pictured her as being a bit more of a mysterious free agent type if you go the route of making her an archdevil. Someone everyone short of Asmodeus is afraid of, and who is welcome in every archdevil's court, because no one wants to tick her off.
Given that her original crime was one of, well, being too forward and not wanting to be subservient, its kind of odd that the beginning of her origin in the article opens with her being "given" to someone.
Hell, if they really wanted to use the concept of Lilith, but use existing D&Disms, they could have made Lilith the first female Vasharan, but unlike her husband and her children, who were capricious and random in their acts of evil, Lilith was scheming and calculating. She managed to seduce some of the young members of the human race and enslave them to her will, and while the rest of the Vasharan favored the fiends of the Abyss, Asmodeus was so pleased with her that he made a pact with her that she should always be able to sow discord among man, to undermine the actions of the Abyss and the upper planes, and that she can never act directly against him. Thus she became an archdevil, one without rank, but known to have the direct favor of the Lord of the Nine.
See, that's just off the top of my head . . .
Given that her original crime was one of, well, being too forward and not wanting to be subservient, its kind of odd that the beginning of her origin in the article opens with her being "given" to someone.
My problem with the article right there.
I thought at first it was Evil-Lyn, Skeletor and Beastman...then I was like Skeletor don't have a parrot?
I thought at first it was Evil-Lyn, Skeletor and Beastman...then I was like Skeletor don't have a parrot?
I thought at first it was Evil-Lyn, Skeletor and Beastman...then I was like Skeletor don't have a parrot?Speaking of Skeletor...
OMG that's too funny.
It sounds like they got their Liliths confused. According to some text, Asmodeus had a "lesser" Lilith as a consort. I have seen mention of this Lilith being either the daughter of the Original Lilith by Samael or the daughter of Qafsefoni and Mehetabel.
Green Ronin's Book of Fiends (which I purchased in Paizo's excellent sale) has Lilith as one of the Archdevils.
As does Dicefreaks with Gates of Hell. She is our Lord of the Sixth Hell.
What strikes me first about the stats is that they in no way compare to the Demonomicon stats...there is no cohesion. Supposedly they have lower CRs than the Big 3 Demon Princes, but if you look, they have ability scores nearly as high (or higher), HD well above and just as many special abilities as the Demonomicon versions of Graz'zt and Demogorgon as well as Dungeon's Orcus.
I fully understand the rationale for using Aspect base stats and allowing people to advance them as they need for their campaign. But Dukes of Hell should in theory, be less powerful than Demon Princes. And they aren't. A little collaboration with the chaotic evil side of things wouldn't have hurt at all.
I'm...displeased with the presentation of my namesake...*holds down the fury inside*
And the timing does indeed seem to be...odd.
Uh-oh, what did they do to Lilith?