I can't remember which news snippet I read it from but it stated that they are going to scrap Living Greyhawk and create Living Forgotten Realms. Not that I worry about this so much because I don't have a problem giving up coop play but it seems the basis of this was was followed with a statement of FR being the most popular setting? I don't know how to say this without offending Ed Greenwood because he's a good writer but seriously I laughed myself out my chair when I read that. I've seen it written before back in the TSR days but it just makes me think that I'm trying to be sold something. Or that they are trying to convince themselves, as if the more you say it it eventually becomes true.
Now I've traveled a whole lot since starting playing dnd my senior year of highschool 12 years ago and constantly meet new people and make it clear that I play DnD and always want to meet other people who do. In fact I met one of my current gamer friends at a bar almost 2 years ago. And in all this I can't account for an overwhelming number of people who say they played in faerun and only a handful played FR exclusively. Lots of people read the novels but that's because that's the only stuff being heavily printed.
I'm just trying to figure out the logic behind the statement of the realms being the most popular setting. Are they referring to it being most popular because it has the most novels written about it or because there is a cadre of realms players that I have just never met?
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Well they're also blowing up the Realms again with this spellplauge or what have you.
1st to 2e Avatar
2e to 3e city of shade, melting of the great glacier.
3e to 3.5 retaking of mythdranor, destruction of lots of fey'ri. War of the Spider Queen, Invasion of the great wood.
3.5 to 4e shadow trilogy, death of Khelben, death of Halaster, Death of Sylune
Pretty soon we'll have the citizens of Deepingdale rioting yelling "Leave us alone, Mel Brooks!"
Well they're also blowing up the Realms again with this spellplauge or what have you.
1st to 2e Avatar
2e to 3e city of shade, melting of the great glacier.
3e to 3.5 retaking of mythdranor, destruction of lots of fey'ri. War of the Spider Queen, Invasion of the great wood.
3.5 to 4e shadow trilogy, death of Khelben, death of Halaster, Death of Sylune
Pretty soon we'll have the citizens of Deepingdale rioting yelling "Leave us alone, Mel Brooks!"
I have no idea what any of this means. That's how much I have never experienced FR. In fact I know more of ebberron and I detest that setting. FR I just never cared about, wait I did care for a couple months but as I found out more about it I decided it wasn't for me. It bothers me that you seem to run into an epic level character everytime you get up to go pee in a tavern.
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I can't remember which news snippet I read it from but it stated that they are going to scrap Living Greyhawk and create Living Forgotten Realms. Not that I worry about this so much because I don't have a problem giving up coop play but it seems the basis of this was was followed with a statement of FR being the most popular setting? I don't know how to say this without offending Ed Greenwood because he's a good writer but seriously I laughed myself out my chair when I read that. I've seen it written before back in the TSR days but it just makes me think that I'm trying to be sold something. Or that they are trying to convince themselves, as if the more you say it it eventually becomes true.
Now I've traveled a whole lot since starting playing dnd my senior year of highschool 12 years ago and constantly meet new people and make it clear that I play DnD and always want to meet other people who do. In fact I met one of my current gamer friends at a bar almost 2 years ago. And in all this I can't account for an overwhelming number of people who say they played in faerun and only a handful played FR exclusively. Lots of people read the novels but that's because that's the only stuff being heavily printed.
I'm just trying to figure out the logic behind the statement of the realms being the most popular setting. Are they referring to it being most popular because it has the most novels written about it or because there is a cadre of realms players that I have just never met?
Zenophon
You nailed it exactly.
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Well they're also blowing up the Realms again with this spellplauge or what have you.
1st to 2e Avatar
2e to 3e city of shade, melting of the great glacier.
3e to 3.5 retaking of mythdranor, destruction of lots of fey'ri. War of the Spider Queen, Invasion of the great wood.
3.5 to 4e shadow trilogy, death of Khelben, death of Halaster, Death of Sylune
Pretty soon we'll have the citizens of Deepingdale rioting yelling "Leave us alone, Mel Brooks!"
Spoiler much? ;-)
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Besides an Eberron PbP that I'm in here on the boards and a one-shot Eberron game that my friend ran years ago, I've never played in any setting but Forgotten Realms since 3rd Edition came out. I played a little bit of Dark Sun back in the 2e days, but even then we were mostly playing in the Realms. There's a ton of history behind it, lots of places to explore, tons of deep mysteries to be investigated, and all sorts of crazy magical goings-on! It's my personal favorite setting and I'm rather glad that it's becoming the new core. I was never impressed by what I read about Greyhawk (much the same as the OP feels about his limited knowledge of FR, I'll wager). All of the players I currently game with except for one are likewise diehard FR fanatics.
EDIT: I did, however, run a 3rd Edition Ravenloft campaign and have played in a single Dragonstar (3rd party setting) campaign as well.
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I like to play FR exclusively and when i run FTF games, that is what I run, and have for many years. it has more flavor, more in depth coverage, and less of the "you cant change anything, cannon greyhawk" feel to it. its also much more high fantasy, and the novels just help that feel, and give more background to do stuff with.
To each his own, I guess.
I don´t use FR as well, as I´m a long-time Greyhawk fan. Face it, the "support" in 3e for GH was some gods in the PH and mentioning some gods, major NPCs and places in various sourcebooks, as well as the LGG. If you were not into LG (and I wasn´t, due to a negative experience at the first encounter with it and no opportunity to play afterwards), there was not much for Greyhawk coming from WotC. So I don´t care too much if they use another setting now.
Stefan
The "Living..." concept debuted in the Forgotten Realms with the RPGA's Living City. It's not like it doesn't have a solid claim to it...
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I just took a quick look to the WotC-boards and the D&D 4E-Discussion-forum to get some numbers frm these three threads:
4E Eberron: 204 replies, 8448 views
4E Forgotten Realms: 210 replies, 7554 views
4E Other Campaign Settings: 248, 7260 views
This is the sort of feedback, wotc gets when it comes to the choice of campaign settings. There is, especially under us old gamers, much love for the older settings. But this market is quite fragmentated, and a quick look into the third thread shows, that it is not necessarily Greyhawk people ask about (have not counted though).
But as a matter of fact, Eberron and the FR seem to create much more interest than those other settings. So while I've come to love Greyhawk thanks to the fine Paizo folks, I do not wonder why WotC takes another stance.
I hope that there may be some love for the old settings via the DI though.
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Greyhawk in 3E has basically been supported by Paizo in a sort of under-the-counter, brown wrapper sort of way. FR has had quite a few settings books and (more recently) modules, many of which have been pretty good. I didn't play D&D for years prior to 3E was was very unfamiliar with both FR and Greyhawk. With its lack of support, I've never really taken to Greyhawk. I have come to get to know and appreciate the depth in FR as a setting, and its flexibility. My personal preference is Eberron, as I prefer the style and the fact it integrates the 3E rules a bit better (4E - who knows?) but FR is a close second.
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The first D&D I played was Temple of Elemental Evil. Then my group moved on to FR and had a nice long campaign. From there we did Ravenloft, Spelljammer, and Planescape. After that it was a few years of homebrew, followed by years of no gaming.
I finally got back into D&D in earnest on Game Day 2005. That brought me into contact with my new group. We started off doing a homebrew Iron Heroes Campaign, but that fell apaprt. Then we moved into AoW, set in Greyhawk. We've also added a second Greyhawk campaign.
All that aside, I feel much more comfortable playing in Greyhawk. Not only is it the original setting, with great history and flavor, but I also feel it is much more open than FR. All of the novels, accessories, and sourcebooks put out for FR, in my opinion, would make me as a DM feel less free to spin my own interpretation of the world.
Greyhawk, on the other hand, has almost nothing put out for it, so it is open to a lot of interpretation and changes. This ending of the Living Greyhawk only makes that moreso. I say thanks.
It looks like my group is going to continue with 3.5 for the time being, and continue with Greyhawk. Although, truth to tell, I also look forward to turning Chris West's Lands of Mystery into a new homebrew campaign.
Pretty soon we'll have the citizens of Deepingdale rioting yelling "Leave us alone, Mel Brooks!"
Bwaaahahahahaaa! :D
-The Gneech
My gaming group still plays in the Realms 20 years after the boxed set came out. The FRCS book for 3.0 is just awesome. I DM GH and Eberron, but I get to play in the Realms so I have the best of all worlds. I have no problem with FR getting the initial 4th edition treatment. I hope that the 4th edition FRCS is as good as the 3.0 FRCS book.
The "Living..." concept debuted in the Forgotten Realms with the RPGA's Living City. It's not like it doesn't have a solid claim to it...Plus it lasted longer... I think. Didn't it start in the mid-80s and end in 2000?
Actually I believe that claim gets to go to Torg being the first "Living" campaign.
I believe you are correct with LC being longer running than LG, but then why couldn't it generate the player response like LG did in so short a time?
Over all I don't care which one gets corporate support as I can take my dollars elsewhere (there's plenty of others in the sea) or just keep playing my homebrews of Greyhawk.
What bothers me is that it comes off as if they're trying to sell me something by the apples to oranges method. They don't support Greyhawk with novels or any supplements besides the notebook of updates called the Greyhawk journal. So because they don't sell anything beside FR and Ebberron and FR makes more sales than Ebberron that they are using that to justify FR being the more popular campaign setting, where as my experience with people who actually play DnD runs severely contrary to that being the case. It's as if they are just dead set on Forcing FR down everyones throat and throwing Greyhawk out with the wash.
Sales of novels doesn't make a campaign setting popular, as I know dozens of people who read the FR novels but have absolutely no desire to play DnD even in the FR setting but they consumately buy every FR novel written. Then I also know people who read every FR novel who do play but not in FR. What's popular in novel format doesn't seem to be popular in play. Now this is all just based on my experiences with people and it's not like I've done extensive research and polling, it's just one guys perspective. I'm not bashing forgotten realms or even(at the moment) WoTC, I trying to understand a companies statement that seems so blatantly false.
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I've played in just about every setting, except Spelljammer (I still wince when I see or hear that one), and I must say Ravenloft and Greyhawk are my favorites.
Like AZ says above, there is too much established and ongoing history to Forgotten Realms to make our PCs feel like they really accomplish anything. Sure, the argument has always been to just ignore the novels and let you PCs go at it, but that's not easy to do when the support materials that come out reference the events that occur in the books.
Greyhawk has always been a nice setting, specifically tailored to D&D where your players have the freedom to influence events without interfering with "official" canon. The lack of novels actually help keep this setting "alive."
And, of course, my all time favorite is still Ravenloft. Man, I love the flavor of that setting. I wish it would get more of a push.
That being said, I haven't played in a "Living" campaign in years, so this announcement won't affect me much from that aspect.
Just my 2 coppers.
I know its going to cause problems among the LG people, who are, in many cases, admirably dedicated to their setting. This had to be a blow to them.
That having been said . . . what do they gain from saying FR is the most popular setting if it isn't? They own all of their previous settings, and if one of them was more popular that FR, they could publish it instead of the Realms.
I don't see any particular agenda that would be advanced if they conspriatorially convinced everyone that the Realms is the most popular setting while trying to keep the other settings "down."
Heck, as a FR Realms fan, I don't always fathom why R A Salvatore, of all of the authors that have written in the setting, is the most popular, but when they say he is, I don't doubt it. Personally I think Elaine Cunningham should be the "big gun" of the setting, but no matter how much I can argue the merits of her work, RAS sells better.
I've played a fair amount of both FR and Greyhawk, and i feel like the Realms is that song on the radio that is new and popular but gets played every 15 minutes. i liked it when it came out, i'll listen to it every once in a while, but it just got played out.
i would much prefer to play Greyhawk, but both of the local games i've been a part of are FR. i'm sure it will be heavily supported with 4th edition, but i really hope they don't scrap Living Greyhawk. i've been thinking about joining the local RPGA just so i can get my Greyhawk on.
It's too late for that. They already anounced that Living Greyhawk was ending.
Yeah I too am not excited by FR being the first published setting. Not because I dont like it, but because I have been there done that, and it doesnt hold the nostalgia that Greyhawk has for me.
It's too late for that. They already anounced that Living Greyhawk was ending.
crap.
I know its going to cause problems among the LG people, who are, in many cases, admirably dedicated to their setting. This had to be a blow to them.
That having been said . . . what do they gain from saying FR is the most popular setting if it isn't? They own all of their previous settings, and if one of them was more popular that FR, they could publish it instead of the Realms.
I don't see any particular agenda that would be advanced if they conspriatorially convinced everyone that the Realms is the most popular setting while trying to keep the other settings "down."
Heck, as a FR Realms fan, I don't always fathom why R A Salvatore, of all of the authors that have written in the setting, is the most popular, but when they say he is, I don't doubt it. Personally I think Elaine Cunningham should be the "big gun" of the setting, but no matter how much I can argue the merits of her work, RAS sells better.
Saying Salvatore is the most popular author makes sense to me even though I don't read any of his books I don't think he's a great author but I see plenty of people reading them, what I don't see is people playing FR. Though somehow it's the most popular? I don't know what they stand to gain by saying this other than some possibilities of royalties payments or some such things. Or maybe because they can get more novels sales, by getting more people involved into the setting, and with the largest library of books published for a single setting that makes it a viable position to take.
It's not a conspiracy theory more of a question of how they justify the statement. Quite frankly it's a credibility issue, and from a company with a very long string of credibility problems.
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My guess is they go by sales. The amount of product sold to support Forgotten Realms probably exceeds the product sold to support any other setting. I'm sure they took into account the sales of Dungeon and Dragon to determine this as well.
With WotC, you KNOW it's all about the bottom line, and the bottom line for them is Realms, Eberron, then everything else. Never mind that they produce more product to support these settings than anything else, so the sales numbers are slightly skewed...but hey, that never stopped them before...
I'm just surprised (and thankful) they haven't bothered to create a D&D setting based on the Magic CCG...
God, when is WotC going to create the much anticipated world based on Spellfire?
That would be aaawwwweeeesssssooommmmmeeee.
I never played the game so forgive me if you were being capricious and I just didn't get it, but wasn't Spellfire just a generic ruleset that incorporated all of the TSR settings?
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I'm just surprised (and thankful) they haven't bothered to create a D&D setting based on the Magic CCG...
Really, I don't think it would be all that bad. I've read a lot of the little 'flavor books' that come with some of the pre-built decks and there's some good stuff to be found in there. A Ravnica setting would be freaking awesome, IMO, but might be a little too similar to Eberron. Hmm...
I can't remember which news snippet I read it from but it stated that they are going to scrap Living Greyhawk and create Living Forgotten Realms. Not that I worry about this so much because I don't have a problem giving up coop play but it seems the basis of this was was followed with a statement of FR being the most popular setting?
THIS could be a GOOD thing. One of the many reasons that they listed for not making new GH stuff is one, it competes with FR and 2 it's being used by the RPGA as the "Living" Setting.
SO making FR the "Living" setting means that thye won't be doing lots of source books for it. MEANING that the One Core book (like the Living GH Gazatter). Might be the ONLY bok that they are getting. Making the Novels and LFR the offiacl support for that setting, letting them to support GH as they RPG setting they support.
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what I don't see is people playing FR. Though somehow it's the most popular?
For me, it's quite a different experience. Based on what I see (and being a german that might quite well differ),I'm inclined to think that around 60% of the D&D-players favor the Realms, 30% favor Eberron and the rest shares all those other settings or plays in homebrewed- campaigns.
I see a lot of people being interested in novels with Realms-content, i see the success of all those FR-based CRPGs (from Pool of Radiance I to Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights), and I see all those quite enthusiastic FR-fans over at candlekeep and at other boards. So it is my feeling, that the Forgotten Realms are much more popular as all other settings (including Eberron) and that's why I do not wonder about Wotc's decision to give the spotlight to the Realms.
I'm just surprised (and thankful) they haven't bothered to create a D&D setting based on the Magic CCG...
There were talks about doing just that, but I don't have any info as to why it didn't pan out.
I'm just surprised (and thankful) they haven't bothered to create a D&D setting based on the Magic CCG...There were talks about doing just that, but I don't have any info as to why it didn't pan out.
I'm a pretty big fan of the mythos of the game and even bought several of the novels. I'd certainly by the setting book if they released one. Can't say I'd run a campaign in it....
Shut that breadbox, berk!
The people demands planescape :D
Spelljammer is very fun too, but based on some rather.. scanty background.
I mean, at every adventure you end up capturing a enemy ship with helm... which means a minimum loot of some 100.000gp often far higher..
I think some loot at 10th level was in the millions.
It sure is a fast way to riches tho.
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I'm a pretty big fan of the mythos of the game and even bought several of the novels. I'd certainly by the setting book if they released one. Can't say I'd run a campaign in it....I'm just surprised (and thankful) they haven't bothered to create a D&D setting based on the Magic CCG...There were talks about doing just that, but I don't have any info as to why it didn't pan out.
Suddenly, I'm intrigued by the idea that upset me earlier today.
Does anyone else remember the comic books based on Magic? I read those and enjoyed them, but I've never read the novels. How close were the stories in the comics to the ones in the books? Is there really an established continuity?
Can you imagine facing a Force of Nature or Lord of the Pit as part of a gaming session? Hmmm....
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I assume the RPGA is scrapping Living Greyhawk out of necessity:
1) With 4th Ed. coming out, the decision to not convert 3.5 characters to 4th was made, due to a lack of official conversion rules.
2) That left the RPGA with the choice of either resetting the Living Greyhawk campaign, or starting a completely new one. The lack of manpower prevents them from starting two campaigns at once.
3) With its long history (shorter than Greyhawk, but still going back to 2nd edition), popularity of novels, and the possibility of working with the Forgotten Realm novelists, the Forgotten Realms became the most logical choice for the next Living campaign. And Realm fans deserve a shot as well. Choosing Eberron would possibly have upset Living Greyhawk fans even moreso.
As a Greyhawk fan, I'm saddened by the lost of the Living Greyhawk, but I accept the RPGA's decision. But hey, maybe Wizards will eventually come out with a new Greyhawk sourcebook since the setting's future isn't in the hands of the RPGA anymore. Until 5th edition comes out and Living Realms is replaced with Living Eberron, I'll be happy to play in the Realms.
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3) With its long history (shorter than Greyhawk, but still going back to 2nd edition), popularity of novels, and the possibility of working with the Forgotten Realm novelists, the Forgotten Realms became the most logical choice for the next Living campaign.
FR goes back to first edition. The grey box was released in 1987. Just FYI. :)
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I never played the game so forgive me if you were being capricious and I just didn't get it, but wasn't Spellfire just a generic ruleset that incorporated all of the TSR settings?God, when is WotC going to create the much anticipated world based on Spellfire?
That would be aaawwwweeeesssssooommmmmeeee.
Spellfire was....a misadventure to say the least. It was a generic Magic the Gathering rip-off.
You weren't missing much if you never played. I would even consider you fortunate.
Suddenly, I'm intrigued by the idea that upset me earlier today.
Does anyone else remember the comic books based on Magic? I read those and enjoyed them, but I've never read the novels. How close were the stories in the comics to the ones in the books? Is there really an established continuity?
I never read the comics, but the books (except the first, Arena) do create an established continuity, yes. My main plotline of interest was Urza and Mishra, their war, and the influence of Phyrexia over both of them. It's something of a theme I've woven into several of my campaigns. Once the story transitioned over to the Legacy, I stopped reading, my curiosity satisfied. I'd definitely suggest picking up the Artifacts Cycle or at least borrowing it.
I think the characters, locations, and situations would fit nicely in D&D, but the crunchy bits would have to be totally rethought.
I have no idea what any of this means. That's how much I have never experienced FR. In fact I know more of ebberron and I detest that setting. FR I just never cared about, wait I did care for a couple months but as I found out more about it I decided it wasn't for me. It bothers me that you seem to run into an epic level character everytime you get up to go pee in a tavern.
Ok, that it, Gloves off! I am so f!#ging sick of Eberron people trashing FR! You want to talk about having s#!t shoved down your throat! Eberron is mediocre at best. I bought it, I used a small part of it, but for the most part it was pure crap! Wizards scrapped several good setting to put all their eggs in one basket with Eberron and they have been stuffing it down our throats ever since! Epic level characters everywhere? Gods walking the land? World shaking Stories? Sounds like good gaming to me. Not lightning trains and Dragon Marks.
Talk to me when Eberron novels make the NY Times best sellers list, because as I see it, FR is one of the reasons D&D survived long enough and had enough money to take a monster risk on a setting like Eberron. If you don't like FR, then do what I do with Eberron stuff... Don't by the goddamned thing! But the market has spoken and Fr is still selling, like it or not.
Well they're also blowing up the Realms again with this spellplauge or what have you.
1st to 2e Avatar
2e to 3e city of shade, melting of the great glacier.
3e to 3.5 retaking of mythdranor, destruction of lots of fey'ri. War of the Spider Queen, Invasion of the great wood.
3.5 to 4e shadow trilogy, death of Khelben, death of Halaster, Death of Sylune
Pretty soon we'll have the citizens of Deepingdale rioting yelling "Leave us alone, Mel Brooks!"
Dude, as far as I remember, Sylune's been dead since as long as I can remember, unless there is some story I missed.
How they killed Khelben was BS.
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I have no idea what any of this means. That's how much I have never experienced FR. In fact I know more of ebberron and I detest that setting. FR I just never cared about, wait I did care for a couple months but as I found out more about it I decided it wasn't for me. It bothers me that you seem to run into an epic level character everytime you get up to go pee in a tavern.Ok, that it, Gloves off! I am so f!#ging sick of Eberron people trashing FR! You want to talk about having s#!t shoved down your throat! Eberron is mediocre at best. I bought it, I used a small part of it, but for the most part it was pure crap! Wizards scrapped several good setting to put all their eggs in one basket with Eberron and they have been stuffing it down our throats ever since! Epic level characters everywhere? Gods walking the land? World shaking Stories? Sounds like good gaming to me. Not lightning trains and Dragon Marks.
Talk to me when Eberron novels make the NY Times best sellers list, because as I see it, FR is one of the reasons D&D survived long enough and had enough money to take a monster risk on a setting like Eberron. If you don't like FR, then do what I do with Eberron stuff... Don't by the goddamned thing! But the market has spoken and Fr is still selling, like it or not.
Um Blackdragon, chill. He specifically said he 'detests' eberron (and misspells it to boot)
If Greyhawk is Vanilla, the Realms are Chocolate, and Eberron is Rockey Road.
I know if I ever get a chance to run a Realms game again (doubtful) I'll ignore the Spell Plauge, Rise of Myth Dranor, and likely most anything after the 3.5 upgrade. The realms are like an old girlfriend to me, and I'm tired of seeing her with two black eyes from her current boyfriend.
I'm lucky, I like all flavours.
Well they're also blowing up the Realms again with this spellplauge or what have you.
1st to 2e Avatar
2e to 3e city of shade, melting of the great glacier.
3e to 3.5 retaking of mythdranor, destruction of lots of fey'ri. War of the Spider Queen, Invasion of the great wood.
3.5 to 4e shadow trilogy, death of Khelben, death of Halaster, Death of Sylune
Pretty soon we'll have the citizens of Deepingdale rioting yelling "Leave us alone, Mel Brooks!"
Dude, as far as I remember, Sylune's been dead since as long as I can remember, unless there is some story I missed.
How they killed Khelben was BS.
I agree on how Khelben passed on, though in a way I could consider his passing to be something he'd do. As for the Witch of Shadowdale, she existed as a ghost/spectral harpist after her demise (see the 2nd edition Seven Sisters book for details) but finally passes on in Shadowdale: Scourging of the Land into her well-deserved afterlife.
To be fair, the death of Halaster was even worse IMO. He'd supposedly been aware of some great threat to Undermountain for ages and worked on a counter. When he finally tries to use it, the Twisted Rune reaches out from far away and screws up Halaster's magic, and manages to shred his soul. Yeah, right. Halaster knew they were out there and is/was one cagey individual. He'd never try anything that might let a bunch of cowardly liches get another shot at him. Heck, he keeps liches around for entertainment.
I'm not sure that the spell-plague is really an apocalyptic event at this point. To me, it seems like we're finally seeing how scary Shar's followers really are. Shadow magic sounds scary on paper, but her church has been hiding in the shadows so long continuity-wise that she just has never seemed scary to me. But mysteriously, a bunch of her assassins manage to get into Elminster's Tower, fight him to a draw, and one of her artifacts is activated, blowing the tower to another dimension. Again, doesn't sound right.
Makes me wonder what we'll see in Anauroch and the other FR products to come . . . .
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Dude, as far as I remember, Sylune's been dead since as long as I can remember, unless there is some story I missed.
How they killed Khelben was BS.
and Don't call me dude.
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Suddenly, I'm intrigued by the idea that upset me earlier today.
Does anyone else remember the comic books based on Magic? I read those and enjoyed them, but I've never read the novels. How close were the stories in the comics to the ones in the books? Is there really an established continuity?
I never read the comics, but the books (except the first, Arena) do create an established continuity, yes. My main plotline of interest was Urza and Mishra, their war, and the influence of Phyrexia over both of them. It's something of a theme I've woven into several of my campaigns. Once the story transitioned over to the Legacy, I stopped reading, my curiosity satisfied. I'd definitely suggest picking up the Artifacts Cycle or at least borrowing it.
I think the characters, locations, and situations would fit nicely in D&D, but the crunchy bits would have to be totally rethought.
there is an established timeline, altho it is very cruddy if you ask me... and it might force them into a more planescape like world (not a ba thing if you ask me)
also if their going to go by sales numbers alone then their going to have to be asking to buy lisance to use pathfinder's world soon - because it will have outsold both of their settings by then!
*Sigh*
Forgotten Realms is a good setting.
Greyhawk is a good setting.
Eberron is a good setting.
Dark Sun is a good setting.
Planescape is a good setting.
Spelljammer is a good setting.
Mystara is a good setting.
Birthright is a good setting.
Red Steel is a good setting.
Hollow World is a good setting.
Ravenloft is a good setting.
Iron Kingdoms is a good setting.
Scarred Lands is a good setting.
Dragonstar is a good setting.
Midnight is a good setting.
Pathfinder is a good setting.
Warcraft the RPG is a good setting.
Spycraft 1.0 (Shadowforce Archer) is a good setting.
Spycraft 2.0 (Action Genre) is a good setting.
Yes, I have read all of them (okay, not Pathfinder, yet). Have I played all of them? Nope.
What I'm getting at here, is that there are fans of good settings, whether produced by Wizards or a third party company. Do I think it's wrong to "take away" one of those settings, especially if there's a hard-core group of players who LOVE the setting and support it themselves? Yes I do.
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umm.. could someone modify this post to put a "spoilers" tag on it? All this FR-plot stuff is something I'm not really into, granted, but all this "Blackstaff's dead" and "Halaster's dead" stuff caught me unaware as I have not read or played the Shadowdale book. I'm sure I'm not alone in that. The irresponsible posters made no warning that spoilers were ahead, so if a Mod. could do it for the thread, that would be nice.