Virtual Feats in 3.5?


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Does the concept of "virtual feats" (as existed in 3.0) still exist in 3.5?
Eg. a ranger2 gains rapid shot. He's treated as having Rapid Shot and Point Blank Shot (the prerequisite for RS) for the purposes of meeting other feat or PrC prerequisites, even though he doesn't gain the benefit of PBS.

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As far as I know, yes.

Also some of the newer feats from the supplements will include it in their text if the feat will act as a 'virtual' feat. As an example, in the ToB there is a feat called Expeditious Reflexes, or something like that, that allows a character to take a 5' step when presented with a chance for an AoO. It qualifies as Combat Reflexes for the purpose of prerequisites and such.


ericthecleric wrote:

Does the concept of "virtual feats" (as existed in 3.0) still exist in 3.5?

Eg. a ranger2 gains rapid shot. He's treated as having Rapid Shot and Point Blank Shot (the prerequisite for RS) for the purposes of meeting other feat or PrC prerequisites, even though he doesn't gain the benefit of PBS.

The idea of virtual feats still does exist (as in the ranger with rapid shot), but you are only treated as having the feat listed. The ranger is not treated as having Point Blank Shot at all. In order to gain a feat or prestige class with PBS as a requirement a ranger would have to take PBS as a feat.


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The ranger is treated as having the feats specified by his combat style, but not the prerequisets (the PHB specifically states "even if he does not have the normal prerequisites"). He can can take other feats that have his combat style as a prerequisite, but must meet any other prerequisites to do so. For example, a ranger who chooses Two-Weapon Fighting as his combat style still cannot take Two-Weapon Defense unless he has a 15+ Dex. A ranger who multiclasses and never reaches 11th level as a ranger cannot even take Greater Two-Weapon Fighting unless he meets the normal prerequisites for the feat.

EDIT: Beaten to the post!


They're not really called "virtual" feats, which is probably why you're wondering about them. The ranger example uses a "bonus" feat. Other situations, such as the one you described from the ToB, simply have a clause describing a more complex interaction with previously existing materials. To me, "virtual" feat makes it sound like you'd have access to the feat without taking it somehow (typically by it being a bonus feat). Sorry if this is being anal retentive- just thought I'd point it out.


Saern wrote:
They're not really called "virtual" feats, which is probably why you're wondering about them. The ranger example uses a "bonus" feat. Other situations, such as the one you described from the ToB, simply have a clause describing a more complex interaction with previously existing materials. To me, "virtual" feat makes it sound like you'd have access to the feat without taking it somehow (typically by it being a bonus feat). Sorry if this is being anal retentive- just thought I'd point it out.

Actually the ranger doesn't get a bonus feat. The combat style merely says a ranger is treated as having the feat even if she doesn't meet the prerequisites. That is pretty much how you described "virtual".


Hunh. You're right- that's what I get for not checking the source material before posting!


OK, cheers guys.

In that case then, what about items granting access to feats? They seemed to change the rule that intelligent weapons can grant feats, so are there any 3.5 examples of items granting feats?

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Magic Item Compendium has an item set mask that grants Track as a feat if the owner doesn't previously have it.

That's just off the top of my head.


Thanks, Magagumo. So there is a precedent- cool.


Does a Synthesist Summoner qualify for Feats that he only meets the prerequisites for while fused with his eidolon?


virtual feat nto existi in 3.0 and not exist in 3.5, in all two version exist virtual requisite.
vitual requisite is another object, isn't the object of the example do in the question.

virtual requisite is for example:
i whant to do a prestige tha required INT 15 but i have only INT 12, i can't di it. but if i buy oen object or other that give to me +3 or more to INT i can do and use this prestige.
if i lose this +3 bonus to INT i lose all benefit from the prestige (check the rule for lose benefit)

a prestige class required evasion ? ok i can buy one avasion ring and i have all that i need.

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