Hello once again all. First off I want to pre-emptively say sorry if this topic has been brought up already and to the possibility of missing it elsewhere. So....
I was simply wondering it has been discussed or brought up about maybe converting the 3.0 creatures from Dragon (and possibly Dungeon) to 3.5 stats. This could be anywhere but I would imagine a small Web Enhancement would do. Also I do not think it would have to be anything extravegant, but perhaps something similar to the conversion manual WOTC produced around the change where you all could just do the stat changes (so you wouldn't have to do a complete write up and it's the only information needed anyways). Just wondering, and thank you!
NemesisDragon
Yeah i can hear what your saying there. I gotta be honest though, 4.0 or not, i really don't think i am going to bother. It was bad enough recollecting everything from the 2 to 3 move. We'll just have to see, it would be to be so extremely narly that my inner dork will not resist, but i have a feeling that will not be the case.
Why do people bring up 4E when it's already been said it's still a very long way off?
As for the OP, I agree. Could Dragon/Dungeon Magazine folk do a WE on updating some of their 3E creatures to 3.5? Thanks.
Just added my point because it was brought up by another (4e stuff). Just wanted to add once again though an update of the creatures would be very nice regardless, and I do not want to hear any excuses lol. Pwease Pwease provide an update somewhere down the road :P
I would suggest we wait and see if D&D 4.0 is just on the horizon. Would suck to do all the conversions to have them obsolete so soon.
I am going to GenCon this year, my first trip, and expect there to be some announcement about 4.0
Hmmmmmm.
An announcement like: there won't be one for years...
They have 3.5 books slated for publication after GENCON, why would they cripple those by announcing a release of 4.0 before they even hit the shelves?
I agree. First of all, Eberron still has to grow larger, as large as Forgotten Realms maybe, before they consider 4E.
Also, there're still new people coming into the 3.5E game right now. There's also the fact that DDO Stormreach came out recently based on 3.5E rules and one more fact to add: the Digital Initiative for WotC is coming out.
4E is a long way off as they've said before. Let's hope it stays that way.
I honestly do not care about 4e, and when it comes out if it does, really has nothing to do with Paizo doing a WE for updating the 3.0 creatures to 3.5. Just don't want this thread to go off topic here lol. So it looks like me and Razz would like to see it, anybody else (and please quit talking about 4.0 it's inconsequential at this time and I realize it was my bad for even replying to it in the first place lmao)
I honestly do not care about 4e, and when it comes out if it does, really has nothing to do with Paizo doing a WE for updating the 3.0 creatures to 3.5. Just don't want this thread to go off topic here lol. So it looks like me and Razz would like to see it, anybody else (and please quit talking about 4.0 it's inconsequential at this time and I realize it was my bad for even replying to it in the first place lmao)
I don't work for Paizo or claim to have any inside information, but from what I've read from the staff about how busy they are these days--trying to finish up the 2 magazines and jump-start Pathfinder etc.--I can't imagine they'd have the time for this.
Certain people would just tell you to either use the 3.0 monsters and don't sweat the small stuff, or convert them yourself. I know, not what you wanted to hear :) I'm terrible at crunch myself.
I honestly do not care about 4e, and when it comes out if it does, really has nothing to do with Paizo doing a WE for updating the 3.0 creatures to 3.5. Just don't want this thread to go off topic here lol. So it looks like me and Razz would like to see it, anybody else (and please quit talking about 4.0 it's inconsequential at this time and I realize it was my bad for even replying to it in the first place lmao)I don't work for Paizo or claim to have any inside information, but from what I've read from the staff about how busy they are these days--trying to finish up the 2 magazines and jump-start Pathfinder etc.--I can't imagine they'd have the time for this.
Certain people would just tell you to either use the 3.0 monsters and don't sweat the small stuff, or convert them yourself. I know, not what you wanted to hear :) I'm terrible at crunch myself.
I can personally do feats and skill points myself. It's really the damage reduction conversions I'd like to have with the 3.0 creatures in Dragon Magazine.
Well Ben that isn't what I wanted to hear, your right, but somehow I knew that is what I would hear lol. Well I also should add I am not talking about getting this done ASAP, i understand how busy they are, just thought it would be a nice idea in a few months. I know Razz likes to convert, and I am getting used to it as well, only thing I worry about is the officialness of it. But then again, your right. Everybody has their own worlds, and do their own things, make their own changes etc, I guess all I'm trying to say is that I like my official CRUNCH, just makes life easier. We will do what me must however, hehe.
Well Ben that isn't what I wanted to hear, your right, but somehow I knew that is what I would hear lol. Well I also should add I am not talking about getting this done ASAP, i understand how busy they are, just thought it would be a nice idea in a few months. I know Razz likes to convert, and I am getting used to it as well, only thing I worry about is the officialness of it. But then again, your right. Everybody has their own worlds, and do their own things, make their own changes etc, I guess all I'm trying to say is that I like my official CRUNCH, just makes life easier. We will do what me must however, hehe.
I'm with you on liking my CRUNCH official. If I could have my cake and eat it too, I'd love updated versions of my 3.0 books to 3.5 (and if I could pick ONLY one, it'd be Epic Level Handbook; w/ a new magic system that's actually workable). But if you've spent time on the WOTC boards over the past years like I have (though I'm primarily a lurker there), you'd realize WOTC isn't going to reprint updated versions of those books. They did provide pdfs for a fair amount of them, which I guess is better than nothing.
As for Paizo, in an ideal world, yes, someone would go through the 3.0 monsters and update them in a pdf. But time being what it is, I can't imagine it's a high priority for them.
To Razz: have you checked out WOTC's free pdf to convert 3.0 to 3.5 stuff? It has a page on Damage Reduction guidelines that you might find helpful.
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I would suggest we wait and see if D&D 4.0 is just on the horizon. Would suck to do all the conversions to have them obsolete so soon.
I am going to GenCon this year, my first trip, and expect there to be some announcement about 4.0
Sorry for the (maybe) rude words to come, but could we please stop this nonsense discussion about 4th edition once and for all?
Yes, you can kill any thread here by mentioning that stupid number. Actually you could quit D&D as a whole because every single book you use could be outdated once 4th edition comes out.It was already discussed on these boards, and we have a pretty official statement of Paizo's that they don't know anything about a new edition. Further: that they concentrate all their efforts on 3.5 OGL.
Setting everything to halt just because there will be eventually a new edition is nonsense. If you fear a new edition subscribing to a new periodical (i.e. PF) which adheres to 3.5 doesn't appear to be very sensical anyway...
[end of rant]
Back to the real topic at hand: I don't think that a 3.0 to 3.5 transition is that necessary. Stats don't differ that much. More important to me is re-balancing some of the 3.0 critters. Using the transition guide lines by WotC should give you the needed help, especially with the topic of damage reduction.
At least some of the monsters were updated in Monster Compendium Vol I, but monsters were only one part of that book...
Greetings,
Günther
Guennarr, the only thing I'm going to say is that you said it yourself perfectly, "a rebalancing of the old 3.0". Well a stat change to 3.5 would surely probably fix that. Also I disagree with you in one small aspect. I am not to worried if a creature is a hit or a miss so to speak, I love all the creatures equally and ALL of them deserved to be restatted. Yeah, I may not use every one laid before me(and I know that, we thankfully have a plethora to choose from all sources) but it doesn't mean that the option is closed to me once the time comes for me to possibly use one. That's about it, juice :P
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Guennarr, the only thing I'm going to say is that you said it yourself perfectly, "a rebalancing of the old 3.0". Well a stat change to 3.5 would surely probably fix that. Also I disagree with you in one small aspect. I am not to worried if a creature is a hit or a miss so to speak, I love all the creatures equally and ALL of them deserved to be restatted. Yeah, I may not use every one laid before me(and I know that, we thankfully have a plethora to choose from all sources) but it doesn't mean that the option is closed to me once the time comes for me to possibly use one. That's about it, juice :P
Your wish makes sense: rebalancing existing rule material (including monster stats) improves playability (just have a look at all the threads about over/underpowered classes, races, etc. ...).
It also takes a huge amount of effort. For that reason I think that the proposed update web enhancement makes sense, but the time until the ending of the D&D licence probably won't suffice even if Paizo was willing to do it.
Greetings,
Günther
Well, I suppose that may be one facet I forgot about lol. Well we'll see what happens I suppose, just thought it would be nice. Once again I have a feeling I may be doing some of these myself, go figure, been doing that alot the past few years. Good point though Guennarr ;)
3.0 and 3.5 material are very similar - I feel that the concept of the current rulebooks being fully half an edition above is more marketing than anything else. The real difference is that as time went on, writers became far better acquainted with the game rules, and with that understanding came better game balance.
The only major change of monsters is damage reduction, which you can find about in the 3.5 update guidelines. Some creatures get more skills and feats, but that's relatively minor. Certain individual creatures in the MM were beefed up significantly, but this won't affect monsters printed in Dragon magazine.