
Tsoli |

Hi, I'm searching all over, and I'm coming up with nothing. For whatever reason, it makes sense to me that someone that is Enlarged to ten foot tall and carrying a (now) five foot or longer blade (longsword, flail, whatever) is going to be threatening a larger area than just the eight squares around him. As I understand it, enlarging with a reach weapon gives you a threat where you would hit squares 3 and 4, and be able to take AoO in those squares, too. Is the sword and board fighter really limited to attacks and reach of 1 when he's enlarged?
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Again, I apologizing for dredging up what seems like it should be clear in the rules, and it's not for me. Please include Page numbers or definitive answers? Thanks!

thenobledrake |
Creatures of size Large or larger are either "tall" (like enlarged persons or other humanoids) or "long" (like horses and dragons).
"Tall" creatures have reach equal to their space - 10' x 10' space (large size) has 10' reach (15' with a reach weapon).
"Long" creatures have shorter reach than that, except in the case of having a longer appendage attached to a particular attack - A large dragon, for example, has a 5' reach except for with their bite attack which has 10' reach.

Lifat |
A humanoid creature whose size increases to Large has a space of 10 feet and a natural reach of 10 feet.
Quote taken directly from the enlarge person spell.
This shows us that ANY character that is enlarged threatens like this:C=Character; T= Threatened area without reach weapon; R= Threatened area with reach weapon. Note however that with a reach weapon you do NOT threaten the squares immediately around you. If you want a clearer image of this I suggest going to this link: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat/space-reach-threatened-area-te mplates
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Tsoli |

Okay, thank you, thenobledrake, Rikkan, and Lifat. I have been thinking I've been going crazy because I just can't find a clear answer anywhere.
Is there, to anyone's knowledge, any reason why I wouldn't threaten AoOs on those second squares, (apart from the possibly-left-out corners)? I know that Large sized monsters do this to us all the time, say, if I charge through squares that they threaten. I've never heard of differentiation between Attack range and AoO range, other than the obvious exception of lunge, where you are straining to get reach you normally wouldn't have, and immediately lose that reach once the attack is made.

Rikkan |
I simply copied from their own templates.
Afaik the third party site pfsrd copied those pictures from 3.5 and failed to account for the rule changes pathfinder made.
As for the difference between attack range and AoO range on diagonals, it is complicated. See SKR posts here ending movement with a diagonal

Lifat |
Lifat wrote:I simply copied from their own templates.Afaik the third party site pfsrd copied those pictures from 3.5 and failed to account for the rule changes pathfinder made.
As for the difference between attack range and AoO range on diagonals, it is complicated. See SKR posts here ending movement with a diagonal
Well... If you are correct in this then my post is invalid of course. I didn't know. My mistake for using pfsrd to say something about RAW.

blahpers |

If I understand SKR's point correctly, you don't threaten the 15' diagonals unless the enemy moves from the diagonal into a threatened square, right? Basically, in doing so, you move over a theoretical 10'-distance square that would be threatened if the grid allowed it to exist. But if a creature starts on the 15' diagonal and moves away, they do not provoke, as they never crossed that 10' threshold.
It's a solid way to get around the unprovoked diagonal approach problem without effectively granting partial extra reach to the large creature.

wraithstrike |

He is saying that by leaving the diagonal you provoke since that diagonal also contains the 10 foot distance that you would threaten, and you should not be magically allowed to go from 15ft away to 5 feet away and pretend like the 10 foot distance did not exist.
So just because the grid has a square for "15 feet away" and a square for "5 feet away," but no square for "10 feet away," using that corner path doesn't mean you're magically teleporting from 15 feet to 5 feet; you are passing through a 10-foot-radius band around the creature, and therefore you provoke an AOO.
Jason admits it's not clear, and obviously it doesn't have the diagram in the 3E book to provide a non-textual example, but it's supposed to work as I described above.
edit:Blaphers you are correct. I misunderstood what you were trying to say at first.