All I know is that Stephen King's It was a stinging endictment against snarky IT professionals (Pennywise translated into binary spells 011011110 which upside down reads stephenki) and the line "They all float down here" was clearly a rebuke to how the Marshall Plan invariably led the European aquatic car boom of the late 80's.
Who buys aquatic cars? That's right... only IT professionals. See how it all spirals back to a core truth? The more you deconstruct, the you see the angels in the angles.
Oh, God. All those years I spent making aquatic cars under the impression that they were meant for those poor octogenarians that fall asleep at the wheel and ultimately end up in rivers....it was all a lie. A LIE!!!! YOU BLEW IT UP!! YOU DAMN DIRTY IT PROFESSIONALS!!!
Oh, God. All those years I spent making aquatic cars under the impression that they were meant for those poor octogenarians that fall asleep at the wheel and ultimately end up in rivers....it was all a lie. A LIE!!!! YOU BLEW IT UP!! YOU DAMN DIRTY IT PROFESSIONALS!!!
Rest assured brother, that your life as an floatable auto maker was indeed a lie.
There's a lot of smart people in the world, but not too many who are really aware. Well I am but a 'ware' to the powers that be, but you know what I mean. They used you and they used me. It turns out there is an afterlife. It's owned by Interpublic, an advertising holding corporation worth forty billion dollars American... and we spend the entirety of our afterlives feeding our ever regenerating flesh to giant maneater gerbils. HG Wells predicted this in Food of The Gods and as Nick Logue very well knows Richard Gere found out about this conspiracy to enslave and began a one man crusade to suffocate every last gerbil on earth. Those poor rodents. It must have been like the trash compactor room scene from Star Wars. Years later he recanted this animal cruelty and became a macrobiotic vegetarian and...
yes, he too owns an aquatic car. Yes, he too is a part of an IT professional cabal. And he now owns stock in Interpublic in order to guarantee an unmutilated afterlife sans eerie gnawing.
Ne Sutor Supra Crepidam... it lengthens as it goes. The deeper you look... the more you find.
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In your expert opinion? I'm not saying they are true mind you. I'm saying that was the obvious allusion made by the Wachowski brothers in the movie.
No, just in my regular, reasonably informed (I did read the 9/11 report) opinion. I am not an expert on international terrorism though.
Except it was. In the "world" of the movie they made that quite clear.
Right. Which means Suttler couldn't be Bush, who reacted to a genuine attack.
Now you're just being obtuse. In the movie he was indeed created by the government. If not, how was he created? What evidence in the movie supports another source for his creation?
None. Again, that is my point. By having a fake conspiracy in the movie it distances itself from being taken as an allegory of Bush.
I guess the entire population of the city showing up in V masks was in my imagination.
I guess all those blue-fingered Iraqis are mine?
The removal of Saddam was not done by Iraqis whether or not they wanted to do it. It was done by a superior invading military force. This is different from the movie. Are you gonna tell me I'm wrong?
And Suttler was removed by a single terrorist with personal issues, whether the people wanted it or not. That is quite different from a popular revolution. Are you gonna tell me I'm wrong?
Fair enough...agree to disagree we shall.
That's cool with me.
I recently rented this, despite my wife's protests ("I've heard it's horrible!"), simply because I think Natalie Portman's a smart cookie and it looked interesting. I've never read the comics, and I didn't know anything about the movie other than what was on the cover.
I thought it was great! They did a good job with revealing V's past through the detective, who himself was under scrutiny by his government. There were multiple levels of deception and plot turns, and it was an interesting
It was both powerful and disturbing. Powerful, because the struggle against oppressive governments has great meaning today, wherever one looks. I believe Thomas Paine said that government is inherently evil, and the movie makes you reflect on the injustices of today's governments, from the USA to Iraq to Sudan.
Disturbing, because in his struggle against oppression, V himself committed atrocities against innocents and became an oppressor. The most difficult part of the movie was when I realized that V had deliberately imprisoned and tortured (Portman's character) for nearly a year, simply to make her see his perspective.
It was a challenging movie that made me think and reflect on what I value, and how deeply I value it. And it did so while being entertaining. Both my wife and I loved it.
I agree with some other posters who have said that the movie was validating a certain perspective - not necessarily one that I agree with. But I don't have to agree with a movie to like it, and I liked "V for Vendetta" a lot.
In recent times, the only other movie that left me as introspective and thoughtful as this one was "Crash" - which moved me beyond anything I've ever seen.
I recently rented this, despite my wife's protests ("I've heard it's horrible!"), simply because I think Natalie Portman's a smart cookie and it looked interesting. I've never read the comics, and I didn't know anything about the movie other than what was on the cover.
I thought it was great! They did a good job with revealing V's past through the detective, who himself was under scrutiny by his government. There were multiple levels of deception and plot turns, and it was an interesting
It was both powerful and disturbing. Powerful, because the struggle against oppressive governments has great meaning today, wherever one looks. I believe Thomas Paine said that government is inherently evil, and the movie makes you reflect on the injustices of today's governments, from the USA to Iraq to Sudan.
Disturbing, because in his struggle against oppression, V himself committed atrocities against innocents and became an oppressor. The most difficult part of the movie was when I realized that V had deliberately imprisoned and tortured (Portman's character) for nearly a year, simply to make her see his perspective.
It was a challenging movie that made me think and reflect on what I value, and how deeply I value it. And it did so while being entertaining. Both my wife and I loved it.
I agree with some other posters who have said that the movie was validating a certain perspective - not necessarily one that I agree with. But I don't have to agree with a movie to like it, and I liked "V for Vendetta" a lot.
In recent times, the only other movie that left me as introspective and thoughtful as this one was "Crash" - which moved me beyond anything I've ever seen.
Yeah! I was just remarking to my fiancee earlier today about this. V is awesome because it riles people up and gets them to raise the level of debate on a lot of issues.
I totally agree that "Crash" does the same. A fantastic movie in my opinion. Excellence.
This film is on BBC3 later tonight. Is it worth watching?Yes. Absolutely.
And recording, and buying.
Yes... worth watching. I own it on DVD, so I must have enjoyed it. As my mind grows fuzzier with the passing years, I rely on simple proofs such as this with greater frequency.
It is indeed worth watching, I did so again a while ago when it was shown in German TV.
I still don´t like the Hollywood end compared to the grittier comic, but, well, that´s what you get making hollywood movies out of the dystopian comics of a strange british author (Alan Moore, in this case).
If you want to read some really good graphic novels, look for his works. They are outstanding - Wikipedia should easily give you a list of his works. Even the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is much better than that awful movie would seem to indicate.
Stefan
Necromancing this thread to comment that I have now begun a tradition of watching this film every Guy Fawkes Day. It's really the only Guy Fawkes holiday film out there! :)