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I have been trying to just wait for the online suppliments to come out to answer this question however I am at the point of push coming to shove as the PC's advance.
Who should Manzorian likely be in the FR, and suggestions for the placement of Magepoint or another town to takes its place?
Well according the Age of Worms Overloaded pgf, Magepoint becomes Longsaddle in the FR although I am not certain that there is a specific FR character that he is supposed to be replaced by. By the way, I do highly recomend the Age of Worms Overloaded pdf as a great DM's reference for running the Age of Worms.
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For those using age of worms in the moonsea region, Manzorian can Manshoon and Magepoint is the city of Thentia with their large group of indepenent mages.
As for me in Calimshan i'm using Kartak Spellseer from the twisted rune as Manzorian mainly to oppose sappirtkar the blue(a blue dracolich i replaced Dragotha with)a fellow member of the rune. Magepoint is really the name of this years' Magefair being held near Memmon.
Malchor Harpell, in the official conversion, if I remember correctly (one of the more lucid members of the family).
Malchor Harpell, in the official conversion, if I remember correctly (one of the more lucid members of the family).
KEJ is correct.
Magepoint becomes Longsaddle.
Manzorian becomes Malchor Harpell, one of the more underused "core major wizards" in the setting.
--Eric
Harpell, isn't that the ones shrinking farm animals and selling them during the chaotic days of 2nd edition DnD? Not one of FR's better ideas.
Azure Bonds, right? The first FR book I read (sniff)...
That wasn't Malchor though...
Azure Bonds, right?
Actually, I changed my mind... Probably "Streams of Silver"...
Here is a stat block I found on Malchor Harpell...
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=496878
And here is a link to Volo's Guide to the North, which has a pdf for Longsaddle.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/downloads
Now, if I could only find something on Starmantle, which is supposed to be the FR version of Alhaster.
Here is a stat block I found on Malchor Harpell...
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=496878
Hum... This stats block gives him a "Teukiir badge". Is he part of Khelben's Moonstars?
Bocklin
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God i hope not! I loathe the blackstaff, his death wasn't too painful enough for me.
Did I miss a book? When did he die? ...Or was that just in your campaign...
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Did I miss a book? When did he die? ...Or was that just in your campaign...
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God i hope not! I loathe the blackstaff, his death wasn't too painful enough for me.
Sorry, i should have made this clear. It was in my campaign when i stripped the chosen(except Elminster,picture Sean Connery)of their powers by the order of the overgod Ao. Since i had a grudge against Blackstaff from 2nd edition, i just had him sell his wife Laeral to Kaanyr Vhok (his usual style, the scumbag)and later kill himself in grief. Vhok sent Laeral's head to his funereal as a condolence. The Red Wizards of Thay just sent their entire yearly supply of horse dung to his tower after setting fire to it. The Moonstars are disbanded and the harpers dance with the Zhentartim in his grave every chance they get.
Sorry, i should have made this clear. It was in my campaign when i stripped the chosen(except Elminster,picture Sean Connery)of their powers by the order of the overgod Ao. Since i had a grudge against Blackstaff from 2nd edition, i just had him sell his wife Laeral to Kaanyr Vhok (his usual style, the scumbag)and later kill himself in grief. Vhok sent Laeral's head to his funereal as a condolence. The Red Wizards of Thay just sent their entire yearly supply of horse dung to his tower after setting fire to it. The Moonstars are disbanded and the harpers dance with the Zhentartim in his grave every chance they get.
That's a lot of hate for just one person. ;-)
Why didn't you just ignore the Chosen and erase them from the FR? That's what I did and my players (who are not lore buffs) do not even know that they exist in the published Realms.
I am usually obsessed with sticking to the canon, but for the Chosen I make an exception: according to one's taste they can be interesting novel protagonists, but they don't really have a place in a RPG setting.
I still would like to know if Harpell is linked to the Tel Teukiira... Will go check over at Candlekeep.
Bocklin
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Sorry, i should have made this clear. It was in my campaign when i stripped the chosen(except Elminster,picture Sean Connery)of their powers by the order of the overgod Ao. Since i had a grudge against Blackstaff from 2nd edition, i just had him sell his wife Laeral to Kaanyr Vhok (his usual style, the scumbag)and later kill himself in grief. Vhok sent Laeral's head to his funereal as a condolence. The Red Wizards of Thay just sent their entire yearly supply of horse dung to his tower after setting fire to it. The Moonstars are disbanded and the harpers dance with the Zhentartim in his grave every chance they get.Why didn't you just ignore the Chosen and erase them from the FR? That's what I did and my players (who are not lore buffs) do not even know that they exist in the published Realms.
I am usually obsessed with sticking to the canon, but for the Chosen I make an exception: according to one's taste they can be interesting novel protagonists, but they don't really have a place in a RPG setting.I agree with you. Greenwood and other writers have the habit to make the mages into grossly overpowerful (even beyond Epic level) superheroes or something. But then why ignore when as Dm you can destroy?
But then why ignore when as Dm you can destroy?
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Because if I destroy them in front of my players, they are not having much fun, wonder what is happening and realize that I am tempering with the setting.
Since they were newbies (and still relatively are), it was easy to simply ignore them and pretend they never existed.
Bocklin
Personally i would probably use Savengriff, just because he is the right alignment. Malchor is too chaotic, and already has a history in Longsaddle. And actually Khelben and Tenser are pretty similar in their outlook, so he wouldn't be a bad choice too.
I would put magepoint at somewhere along the coast maybe as Leilon, which is a pretty small town, and give Savengriff a citadel there.
As far as where to put Redhand, i would probably make it like Westgate, or maybe even Luskan, at this level it doesn't have to be geographically close to the action so to speak.
Here is a stat block I found on Malchor Harpell...
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=496878
And here is a link to Volo's Guide to the North, which has a pdf for Longsaddle.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/downloads
Now, if I could only find something on Starmantle, which is supposed to be the FR version of Alhaster.
Starmantle is barely detailed, which is why I picked it. The only real sources that spring to mind are the first novel in the Erevis Cale trilogy (Midnight's Mask?) and Temptation of Elminster (really just the wilderness to the west of the city).
Oh, Sea of Fallen Stars probably has a little bit as well.
--Eric
For those who are sticking to Eric's conversion notes, here is some more info on Malchor Harpell (who is indeed a Moonstar agent and previous disciple of the Blackstaff).
This is a description of Malchor made by "The Hooded One", lady-player in the original group of Ed Greenwood and whose character met Malchor Harpell. Her description of the mage is taken for the "So Saith Ed" scroll at Candlekeep (http://www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/so_saith_ed.htm):
Malchor: in facial features, looks like Doctor Strange (only with a "chin fringe" VERY neatly-cropped beard, a la Bruce Heard, and no shock of white hair). Forbidding glossy black eyebrows, eyes so very dark blue as to seem black. Sardonic, intellect instantly apparent when he speaks. Capable of very dry humour, tends to be calm and patient (though he may emit small sighs of resignation) in the face of danger, idiocy on the part of companions, and so on. Now an "elder statesman" of his family due to his intelligence, worldly experience, and skill at getting various wacky Harpells to work together and to reach agreements. He has this status despite the fact that there are plenty of eccentric, take-guff-from-no-one elder Harpells dwelling in Longsaddle.
Malchor isn't "fearless in battle," but seems so to many fellow adventurers because he can and does maintain an outward calm no matter what's happening. He's pragmatic, not overly proud, and like most mages only seems to lust after new magic (spells he hasn't seen before in particular). However, he won't do foolish or reckless things to acquire magic, because "Every day Mystra sends forth more magic than I can ever master in all my life; if I gain not yon spell or tome, another will happen along in my days ahead. My duty is to fully know and fully use the spells I do have."
Although Malchor isn't arrogant, he regards courtiers, military officers, nobility, and even rulers as "no better than the rest of us," and calmly treats them as equals.
He prefers dark, simple (monochrome, no adornments and NEVER any patterns in the fabric) robes and cloaks (black and gray are favoured).
Happy gaming.
Bocklin
I have to say this guys . . . if the Age of Worms is the only thing happening in the Realms that you are playing in (i.e. why aren't the Chosen fixing it syndrome), then we play in very different Realms. Between the Shadovar, the Malaugrym, Larloch, Aumvor, various demon lords and archdevils, the various Zulkirs in Thay, whatever Manshoon has going on in the background, Semmemon, Fzoul (apart from the obvious running of the Zhentarim), the Phaerimm . . . well, you get the point. I really don't think there is any shortage of reasons that the Chosen can't attend to things personally.
And I realize I'm not going to change too many minds here, but I have read a lot of books where people in fights (i.e. warriors, barbarians, etc) do things that there is no specific game analogy for. Its just assumed in the general hit and miss of combat some of these extrodinary things happen, and most people don't have a problem with, say, Azoun, saying that he couldn't possibly do what he does under game rules as a 20th level fighter. But as soon as a wizard does something not easily explained by a feat or a recognized spell, suddenly, that wizard "Breaks the rules" or is too powerful.
I don't know, I love Khelbun (more so than good old El, though I bear him no ill will either). I guess I just don't see why their existance causes so much consternation with so many.
On the other hand, I really like that Malchor Harpell has a chance to shine, because, as Eric Boyd mentioned, he really is an underused NPC of the Realms with a great backstory and tradtion.