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Ok. So I've read and re-read the Kingdom building rules many time over and there are some things that aren't covered.
The first thing is that in RRR it says that another village "springs up"
around Oleg's trading post....
how is this paid for? do the pcs have to spend build points to actually make this happen?
and when Loy Rezbin wants to build a town...are the pcs fitting the bill for all future buildings as well?
I guess I'm also wondering why people can't just approach the characters in the future with plans to build, say a shop and pay for the whole thing themselves.
There is also nothing in the rules about how long things actually take to build. I decided that one month per square was a good starting point.
I also think that in the beginning I'm not going to penalize the pcs for vacancies. Does the Kingdom really need a general to command their "armies" when the population is so small?
I figure by about month 3 I'll kick ALL the rules in.
If anyone has any feedback I'd love to hear it!
When a Village spontaineously springs up around the traiding post its because of the ecconomic boom or more the people hearing of the goings on and wanting to move to where the actions are, they are doing it themselves and are paying for it themselves. The same with people opening up their own shops and such.
You pay for when you build a temple so people will come, and when you build houses so people will come. And when you build a Jail and a Livery and such. If someone els comes buy and does it its up to them to fit the bill. Remember at the start there is nobody, so you have to build the housing developments to attract the people, and the other amendments they will need.
When the people are numerous enough to start to expand on their own, it starts to get out of your hands, until you do things like build a Bridge, or a Tower, or Fort, or Fortified Wall or some such.
At some point there will be some sort of town magistrate that will be takeing care of people with plans to build shops, and the characters wont be bothered with such trivialities...
How long it takes to build is dependent on the materials, the shipping of the materials, the weather and the manpower...
There are some good ideas for that back in Rise of the Runelords in one of those Magazines they have rules for building and maintaining a Keep.
At first one of the PC's will be the General, then they will take their most reliable Captains and appoint him/her the General or Commander or Commandant or whatever you want to call it, Field Marshal ;) to do the work for them as it frees them up for other things. In 5 C, times 50 men was a large army. So you have a few captains, and a head leader so you dont have to...
When Loy wants to build a town, well there is many ways to go about doing it... He can build his own town, but then you run the risk of him kingdom building inside your kingdom, he has his own little fief where he is king of the hill ;) Or you can supply the manpower and materials and help. Let the people come, let him be mayor...
Set someone up as mayor. Have the people elect a mayor.
Have him pitch in with capitol or at least have him do lots of the orgonizing and building of the town much like your PC's did, but you are still putting in manpower and materials. Have him go halvers with the PC's, and let him be mayor, or have the people select mayor...
etc... Be as involved or not as you like with that one.
But the PC's dont have to fit the bill with future buildings to the town unless its infrastructure. Fortifications, Roads, Jails etc. the people will build farms, houses, groceries, liveries, chirches etc.
Remember in the kingdom once the main town is build, all you have to do is upkeep and infrastructure mostly. The other towns will build themselves, unless you want to build one for stratedgy in Millitary or Ecconomics. And the Roads, Bridges, Forts, and Dams, :) are all yours :)
Actually if Loy is building outside your Kingdome, then you dont have to bother with him at all. Other than diplomacy. Then you could send materials and manpower...
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Correct: Loy's village is not something the PCs have to spend money on at all. Loy builds it using his own resources and connections. THEN: When/if the PCs expand their nation to a point where they can claim the hex Tatzleford is in, and if they diplomatically or aggressively annex Tatzleford, that village and its buildings are added to the PCs' nation for free.
Oh yeah Pathfinder #3 has the articles Keeping the Keep wich will give you some great ideas on building, and articles on Varisians if you like :)
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Thanks for the replies guys :)
I would figure that Tatzlford would definitely grow much slower than the pcs kingdom (and it does) because he wouldn't have near as many resources as the pcs do.
So I guess it's up to me how developed Olegton gets or whether people might randomly ask the pcs if they can pay for the building costs of a building WITHIN the party's kingdom. I just don't see the party wanting to randomly build a bunch of mansions or manor houses unless a noble asks them to.
I just wanted to clarify.
I've thought of expanding the "Events" table to add more options.
Like someone coming to town with the proposal to build something....or say one of the leaders goes missing while on a mission and so on.
I also thought of adding a higher building cost depending on how opulent the pcs want to make certain buildings.
Nobles would build their own mantions etc. Your trying to build for the gentry to get your land filled, the Pied Piper thing :) Unless you were asked to moneylend...
Opulence doeth a higher cost make...
Events are good... There are some great events in Pathfinder 3 under Keeping up the Keep for running a Keep and can be expanded for a full town or kingdome... Such as travelling minstrells or even a full carnival comming to town... and remember the overall Year in Months in Golarion for Festivals and whatnot... like the Swallowtail festival they have in Varisia for Desna and such...
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Nobles would build their own mantions etc. Your trying to build for the gentry to get your land filled, the Pied Piper thing :) Unless you were asked to moneylend...
Opulence doeth a higher cost make...
Events are good... There are some great events in Pathfinder 3 under Keeping up the Keep for running a Keep and can be expanded for a full town or kingdome... Such as travelling minstrells or even a full carnival comming to town... and remember the overall Year in Months in Golarion for Festivals and whatnot... like the Swallowtail festival they have in Varisia for Desna and such...
Yeah I downloaded a great calender another guy did here on the boards and it has all the relevant holidays listed.
I guess it all depends on what the pcs decide.None of them are really very religious, but they do have a respect for Erastil.
I've wanted to introduce a variety of clerics to the party so they will have more to choose from when it comes time to pick a head priest.
I'll have to dig issue #3 and check it all out :)