Pathfinder Rage of Elements

A class archetype makes sense, it would need to be able to change anthema from the core class and if you want to change something from the core class well class archetypes is how you do it. given it heavy armor could be really cool.

Another thing I like about the book is the take on the new planes. Logically, one might assume that the Plane of Metal would be the Lawful one (inflexible, unchanging) and the Plane of Wood would be the Chaotic one (flexible, growing). However: the assumptions are entirely wrong, and it makes complete sense.

The Pathfinder Society freed the lord of air, and then in quick succession, the other elemental lords were freed”,

So we didn’t get to have a adventure of them getting free?

It took an entire Pathfinder society season to free the Air guy and know the others just got freed off screen. Massive elemental themed adventure where Air guy tasks players to free his counterparts while being hounded by the evil elemental lords seems really cool.

I hope we see more on Feronia what’s her relationship with her son? What about her other kids?

Where is that quote from? Including timestamp if a video. That would be really disappointing if the other three were all freed off screen to me too.

EDIT: Nvm, found it. Yeah, not a fan of that at all.

I am looking forward to seeing what this book brings us in geniekin choices!

On thing I haven't seen much talk about is corresponding primal dragons. A metal and wood dragon could be very cool. Primal were always my favorite dragons anyway.

>Metal dragons

...you mean like brass, bronze, copper, gold, or silver?

There is also an imperial dragon associated with wood.

Wargamer Preview:
"Pathfinder Rage of Elements debuts two Geniekin heritages"
"Paizo’s Rage of Elements Pathfinder sourcebook introduces two new Geniekin 2e heritages to accompany the new planes of wood and metal"

Wargamer Preview: First look at Pathfinder: Rage of Elements sourcebook
Lead designer Logan Bonner invites us into the Rage of Elements sourcebook, Paizo’s big summer Pathfinder book that’s all about the elements

That was a nice couple of spoilers to hold us over for a little longer, thank you Aaron. Excited to learn specifics on how elemental blasts have changed, even if we're still a long ways out from release yet.

It does kinda make it sound like Wood and Metal elemental lords should be LN/CN instead .-. I wonder if that will be the case though

It does kinda make it sound like Wood and Metal elemental lords should be LN/CN instead .-. I wonder if that will be the case though

It would (at least partially) explain why the elemental lords of these planes didn't get mixed up in the whole "binding the good elemental lords" mess. It would also provide an interesting contrast. The LN lord of one plane would be villain (for lack of a better term) on the Plane of Metal, but the hero on the Plane of Wood (reversed for the CN lords).

Is "sourcebook" the new term for rulebook? I guess I haven't seen them use that terminology before for the rulebooks line.

Is "sourcebook" the new term for rulebook? I guess I haven't seen them use that terminology before for the rulebooks line.

I think that is a word Wargamer chose. Sourcebook implies a new setting and it is may be that in part, if you consider the 2 new planes. We call it a rulebook.

the decaying Plane of Metal
Did someone use summon monster spell to call Rust Monsters there?

But have to say this cover ”Rocks” \m/ also can’t wait to read about Elemental Plane of Wood.
Nice to see if Xiomorns are still running around.

I know this is a rulebook first and foremost, but I'm excited to eat up whatever setting stuff gets into this one; the lore sections of Guns & Gears were an absolute joy. Elemental-influenced regions and nations on Golarion? Planar cities that can act as home bases for wild adventure? Cultural contexts for Kineticists? Gimme all of it.

I love the cover.

Wonder if the Elementalist will get some love in this making it worth considering, at the very least not forgotten when it comes to spells

I am so excited for this book, I'm curious when we'll get more concrete information about what's within it beyond Kineticist and the geniekin, elemental barbs and potentially eidolons(?), and GM stuff with the new planes.

When does that sort of stuff happen, typically?

I am so excited for this book, I'm curious when we'll get more concrete information about what's within it beyond Kineticist and the geniekin, elemental barbs and potentially eidolons(?), and GM stuff with the new planes.

When does that sort of stuff happen, typically?

It's mostly like you see now with Treasure Vault: we will know more stuff (a lot of stuff probably) month or two before the release of the book. We will probably also get some spoilers during PaizoCon.

Is there a setting chapter in this the ways Guns & Gears had? I know mechanics are the big draw for the rulebook line, but there's some stuff I know I'll like lore-wise hiding here.

Feel like there has to be with the introduction of two new Planes of Existence.

Is there a setting chapter in this the ways Guns & Gears had? I know mechanics are the big draw for the rulebook line, but there's some stuff I know I'll like lore-wise hiding here.

I think for this book it won't be "relagated" to a specific section. There will be at least a bunch of lore to explain the two new plains, and if so, then why not the same for the rest of the elemental planes? (That last bit is pure speculation)

Will rage of elements have rules for genie eidolons?

Will rage of elements have rules for genie eidolons?

Too soon to say.

Hm. Can I have the young Barbara Eden as a genie companion? :-)

Timothy Ferdinand wrote:

Will rage of elements have rules for genie eidolons?

Too soon to say.

How about synthesis summoner class archetype?

Timothy Ferdinand wrote:

Will rage of elements have rules for genie eidolons?

Too soon to say.

Also - I WANT really really badly a metal elemental Eidolon.

I WANT to be a metal elemental Summoner with the kineticist dedication of metal. How cool would that be??

Someone mentioned primal Dragons based off of Wood and Metal. And I know people jokingly(i think it was jokingly?) mentioned the metallic Dragons and then the forest dragon of the imperial dragons.

But what is it was something like
Radiation Dragon and Pollen Dragon as the primal dragons for these planes. Now I know what people are saying, how is pollen in anyway on the same scale as radiation or even stuff like the Magma dragon. And my response to this is, have any of you grown up with very frustrating pollen allergies. It is an exhausting and terrifying ordeal. ( i could also maybe see a Sap dragon. Or mycelium network related dragon(less directly related to wood but would be a cool concept none the less) )

Basically i think there are ways to go with primal dragons for these planes that are thematic without stepping on toes that previously existed)

I'm really hoping for radiation to get some love. Metal Kineticists could use radiation for the elemental attacks. As Pixierose mentioned, a radiation dragon would be great. There could be a number of spells with the metal trait that does radiation damage.

My android has resistance to radiation damage and wants to use it :)

Paizo has always held to the "5 dragons per theme" rule. So unless they are doing some retconning and reorganization of dragons not sure we will see completely new types for the two planes

Paizo has always held to the "5 dragons per theme" rule. So unless they are doing some retconning and reorganization of dragons not sure we will see completely new types for the two planes

"The god of humanity is dead and prophecy is broken..."

Paizo has always held to the "5 dragons per theme" rule. So unless they are doing some retconning and reorganization of dragons not sure we will see completely new types for the two planes

I mean the Planar dragons broke that trend already.

I know that we are getting wood and metal Geniekin in this book, but I find myself wondering about how the wood and metal planes will affect the lore and mechanics of the Suli. I mean, I hope they aren’t ignored or forgotten by the new planar developments. I doubt they would be, but it is a concern I have. Will they get new ancestry feats reflecting the influence of wood and metal? What about their existing feats with influence from multiple elements like Elemental Assault, Elemental Bulwark, Dualborn, and others? Will those get a modification or lore sidebar? I just hope these things get addressed.

I know that we are getting wood and metal Geniekin in this book, but I find myself wondering about how the wood and metal planes will affect the lore and mechanics of the Suli. I mean, I hope they aren’t ignored or forgotten by the new planar developments. I doubt they would be, but it is a concern I have. Will they get new ancestry feats reflecting the influence of wood and metal? What about their existing feats with influence from multiple elements like Elemental Assault, Elemental Bulwark, Dualborn, and others? Will those get a modification or lore sidebar? I just hope these things get addressed.

Maybe Suli will stay "4 elements", and we'll get a mega-suli that have the 6? :P (joke)

MMCJawa wrote:

Paizo has always held to the "5 dragons per theme" rule. So unless they are doing some retconning and reorganization of dragons not sure we will see completely new types for the two planes

"The god of humanity is dead and prophecy is broken..."

Reply hazy, try again.

Hm. Can I have the young Barbara Eden as a genie companion? :-)

With her eyes looking out of the bottle!

Will there be elemental mixture creatures, like smog or other ones that were in previous D and D editions?

Kind of surprised we're getting a spell card product for this book, must be a good chunk of spells in here. I had assumed just a handful!

Read the exclusive Rage of Elements rulebook preview with Pathfinder Lead Designer Logan Bonner from Wargamer!

Pathfinder Kineticist has Paizo’s “longest ever” class rules.

As someone who really disliked the playtest version of the Kineticist, I like everything I read in that link. Very optimistic now.

Will there be elemental mixture creatures, like smog or other ones that were in previous D and D editions?

There will be awesome ways to combine elements, but you will find we are continuing our move away from being influenced by that game.

I wonder at what point would it be appropriate to start begging for more spoilers? Should we wait until paizocon or is there any hope of getting anything sooner?

I wonder at what point would it be appropriate to start begging for more spoilers? Should we wait until paizocon or is there any hope of getting anything sooner?

Starfinder Ports of Call and the Stolen Fate AP are next in line. Even Highhelm and the Sky Kings Tomb AP #1 come out before. ;)

Here is the back cover:

Brave the Elements!
Blaze like the sun! Crash like the waves! Rumble like a rockslide! Rage of Elements introduces the kineticist class, gifted with an amazing command over the elements. New spells and items within also provide elemental magic options for all character classes. Explore the majestic Elemental Planes, including two new ones: the wondrous, decaying Plane of Metal and the vast, orderly forests of the Plane of Wood! On top of all this comes a horde of new monsters from all six Elemental Planes, ready to battle adventurers or be summoned by them. Step through a portal to adventure and harness the primordial power of nature with Rage of Elements!

Yay thank you for back cover! But also I totally forgot that highhelm comes out in June, for some reason I thought it came out later in the year (probably because we just got a lost omens book like a week ago!)

This book couldn't come sooner! The wait is long and the hype is real!

Have all of the new class features been revealed (for previous classes, like the new Elemental Barbarian)? Because Im really hoping for an Elemental Eidolon option for Summoners (though I know there are now 6 different primary elemental types, so that may be a lot to ask for)

Have all of the new class features been revealed (for previous classes, like the new Elemental Barbarian)? Because Im really hoping for an Elemental Eidolon option for Summoners (though I know there are now 6 different primary elemental types, so that may be a lot to ask for)

There more than likely will be an Elemental Eidolon, and it will have specific abilities based on its element. Instead of 6 different Eidolons

MMCJawa wrote:

Paizo has always held to the "5 dragons per theme" rule. So unless they are doing some retconning and reorganization of dragons not sure we will see completely new types for the two planes

"The god of humanity is dead and prophecy is broken..."

This is very amusing in hindsight, given what we know now about dragons in Monster Core

Wargamer Preview:

"Pathfinder Rage of Elements debuts two Geniekin heritages"
"Paizo’s Rage of Elements Pathfinder sourcebook introduces two new Geniekin 2e heritages to accompany the new planes of wood and metal"

What's Ardande and Talos's prual when there are multiple of them?

Aaron Shanks wrote:

Wargamer Preview:

"Pathfinder Rage of Elements debuts two Geniekin heritages"
"Paizo’s Rage of Elements Pathfinder sourcebook introduces two new Geniekin 2e heritages to accompany the new planes of wood and metal"

What's Ardande and Talos's prual when there are multiple of them?

My guess for plurals is Ardandes and Tali (based on one colossus -> two colossi).