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Wondering what the bonus type (if any) for these two abilities are and whether or not they stack with one another or if one supersedes the other.

From Ultimate Combat book, p.44:
Deflective Shield (Ex): At 2nd level, an armor master specializes in using his shield to def lect attacks. He gains a +1 bonus to his touch AC, and this bonus increases for every four levels beyond 2nd (to a maximum of +6 at 20th level); however, this bonus cannot exceed the sum of the armor and enhancement bonus to AC provided by the shield that the armor master is currently carrying. This ability replaces bravery.

From Mythic Adventures, p. 73:
Shield Focus (Mythic)
You’re a master of using your shield for protection.
Prerequisite: Shield Focus.
Benefit: Add your shield bonus and your shield’s enhancement bonus to your touch AC. As an immediate action, you can expend one use of mythic power to add your shield bonus and your shield’s enhancement bonus on a Fortitude or Reflex save just before you roll it.


David knott 242 wrote:


All instances of Weapon Training are replaced by Armored Defense or Fortification, so we don't need to worry about a reduced/delayed Weapon Training progression.

And archetypes are not absolutely required to have a perfect match between the levels of abilities gained vs. levels of abilities lost -- thus my "package deal" reference. They are not going to issue errata about which archetype abilities replace which original class abilities when it has absolutely no effect on how the archetype works. It is just slightly more difficult to evaluate the power balance of the archetype.

So...just for clarification...

Armored Defense at level 5... DR 1/2/3
Armored Defense at level 13... DR 1/2/3 <-- no increase? No change?
Armored Defense at level 19... DR 4/8/12

I understand it replaces the Weapon Training ability but seems like a weak progression...14 levels at the same DR levels until a major jump.

Per what's written in the book for this ability...there is no indicator that states "At level 13, blah blah blah happens." Shows only what happens for 2 of the 3 levels this ability replaces.


David knott 242 wrote:


Since you can't really do individual replacements with an archetype, it is all a package deal.

There is a similar issue with Fortification, which grants abilities at 9th and 13th levels but replaces Weapon Training 2 and 4 (9th and 17th levels).

I noticed those mistakes but I have the first Ultimate Combat errata 1.0 but there are no entries for those 2 abilities. Did they come out with a subsequent errata?


Armored Defense shows rules to replace Weapon Training 1 and 3, and Armor Mastery. It shows what happens at level 5 (Weapon Training 1) and level 19 (Armor Mastery). What happens at Level 13 for (Weapon Training 3)? Do the DR numbers go up? I see the level 5 DR numbers are multiplied by 3 to make the level 19 DR numbers...going off that progression, would level 13 numbers go up by a multiple of 2? DR 2/-(Light); DR 4/-(Medium); DR 6/-(Heavy) ?