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Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
This sounds antithetical to his self-proclaimed moniker of WHISPERING Tyrant...

Perhaps because that is him whispering^^


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Rysky wrote:
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PossibleCabbage wrote:
I feel like the universe is going to have lots of sun gods. For the most part they're probably going to be largely uninterested in what the entities with similar priorities are up to and more interested in what the entities with conflicting goals are up to.
Speaking of which, I wonder how Nurgal fits into all this?
As an enemy who knows better than to shake the proverbial bee's nest by being too much of a jerk about it. He's just a demigod, after all. He has stats that full deities can push around with impunity if he gets too big for his britches.
Also they can distract him with laser pointers.

I heard Woolballs work too^^.


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I mean how Long ago did her new role start? few months a year at most?

For a deity that is Nothing, so no surprise that she is not yet settled in.


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Gorbacz wrote:
The only thing that you're convincing people of is that no matter what changes to the Wizards would be made, nothing short of returning them their Tier 1 Godlike status of PF1 would suffice.

The Problem is, that RPGs and D+D esp. have set it, that a Magic-user bending Reality into a pretzel and a fighter getting a +1 on attack rolls is in the same power Level.

Because he can attack all day as i have learned in this thread.

Wonder what we made wrong in our Groups, because that never happened to us.


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thejeff wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Philip,

The Snap creating Mutants I COULD see but then how do you retcon much OLDER mutants, like say Apocalypse?

I don't see Latveria working the same way that Wakanda does. Mostly because Latveria doesn't have magic rocks.

How do you explain them in the comics? Why are they all over the place now, compared to even 50 years ago. There were always a few, but after "X" they became common.

I think it was originally radiation from nuclear tests, but not sure that still makes sense.

I think that was the Explanation in the start, but that went out of the window after mutants like Apocalypse or the even older Selene showing up^^


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Yqatuba wrote:
But she did have a relationship with Apsu (as someone mentioned), and even had a kid with him (the dragon Peace Through Vigilance.)

Isn't that still just a rumour?

And even if true, it does not mean that Iomedae is big on relationships.

If she had someone she likes in that way, I do think she would have difficulty to have a relationship, because not having much experience with that.
Stopping a demonlord no Problem but a date? That would be much more difficult^^.


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GM SuperTumbler wrote:
Why Paul Dini isn't in charge of the DCEU I'll never understand.

Because it would make sense and we can't have that^^


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Damon Griffin wrote:

Preacher, Lucifer, Walking Dead...with some shows (if, like me, you hadn't read the source material) it's easy to momentarily forget they're based on comics.

I think they represent a kind of stealth infiltration into the mainstream. Get the mundane audience hooked, then casually mention "You know this is based on a comic book, right?" And hey, maybe comic books aren't so weird after all.

That is true. I mean how many People would know, that Men in Black is based on a Comic?


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captain yesterday wrote:

I will say this book contains less sexualized art of any deity book ever.

I'm pretty sure even the bible has more sexualized art then Gods and Magic.

Remembering some stuff in the bible it should have been given an Adults only stamp.


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Gorbacz wrote:
A 1-star review because the reviewer ... heard that there's sexualized art? That's new in the "didn't read, 0/5" department.

Did they dare to show an ankle again^^?


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Looks great and and can't wait to read it.


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Him getting more desperate About his age is one of the even more dangerous Things About him.

I could see him using his People in a ritual to get Young again like the one shown in the Villian Codex i think. Always looked like made for him^^


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If they bring back the book line, they should write a book about the story of Iomedae and her Connection to Arazni and her history.

Just explaining how they got the different alignments together, could make it a doorstopper^^


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Berselius wrote:

The Glorious Reclamation in Cheliax failed, Heart's Edge is now in the hands of Thrune (and has quite possibly been corrupted), Alexeara Cansellarion is either dead or damned to Hell (via sacrifice, evil spell, or betrayal of her vows), Last Wall is in ruins, the Whispering Tyrant is free, and old Erum-Hel is still around and is preying upon any divine scions Iomedae has sired with mortals.

As much as I respect Iomedae and admire her, she needs to start getting her act together I feel.

None of this is her fault. Even Erum-Hel would only be her fault, if trying to stop him and barley surviving it could be called that.

And I think the list of her successes are a lot longer. But that is never mentioned in this kind of discussions. Wonder why.


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Paradozen wrote:
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Spamotron wrote:

I their CRs mentioned often when either comes up. Is there more context? Because my understanding is that in the lore Arazni as a Lich was much weaker than she was as Aroden's Herald, and Tar-Baphon didn't just defeat her but performed a humiliating one-sided curbstomp when she was a Herald.

So Tar-Baphon is only just as strong as the inferior version of a foe he defeated utterly?

I don't think we have any evidence she's weaker as a Lich than she was before. Indeed, evidence seems good that it added the standard +2 CR.

That being the case, even assuming she hasn't gained any levels since getting wrecked by Tar-Baphon their original fight would've been him at CR 26 and her at CR 24. Him defeating her pretty easily at that point sounds about right.

When Arazni faced Tar-Baphon she had the powers of the Herald of Aroden, when Geb reanimated her Iomedae held that mantle, so I think a solid case can be made for Arazni to be on-level with Tar Baphon, and lichdom brought her powers on-par with heraldry. Which would imply her humiliating defeat was because of some tactical misstep or sheer poor fortune, rather than Tar-Baphon being noticeably stronger than her.

If I remember correctly in the Adventure Path it was mentioned that part of the problem was that the knights summoned her and forced her to fight the Tyrant and that made her weaker.

That is one part why she is not very fond of the knights to put it midly.

The irony is that they could have asked and she would gladly helped them but the knights being what they are thought not like this.


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I do not think he has not much emotion left regarding anything not related to Nex. Arazni was just a mean to the end of showing the Knights how outclassed they are.


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Bodyswitch.Twist is he ended up in an ewok. Or Jar Jar if they really want to mess with the hardcore fans^^


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zimmerwald1915 wrote:
Deadmanwalking wrote:
zimmerwald1915 wrote:
Arcadia has developed societies. The same can't be said of the Gravelands and Andoran.
What are you basing this statement about Andoran on?

It's on Avistan, it's definitionally backward.

Their feats of seamanship and shipbuilding are along the lines of the tenth-century Norse, and they don't actually use plate - their soldiers go entirely unarmored in the art despite none of their enemies using armor-penetrating technology more advanced than the longbow. Their smithing is restricted to handicraft production, and accordingly to very small scales and without replaceable parts. They have no knowledge of chemistry.

Did I get the wrong version of Pathfinder regarding Andoran? What you wrote is so far from the description of the country to take it seriously. Tenth-Century Norse and using no plate, really?


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CzarGarrett wrote:

Here’s a question- do we know for absolutely sure, that Aroden is dead?

Why couldn’t he have just continued his lessening involvement and left reality? No phone to call, no forwarding address to send the mail. He’s just gone.

I would think that the result would be the same as dead - no spells, no connection to holy places, etc

And the other gods, Pharasma in particular, know he’s gone, but don’t want to let that knowledge out so if/when he comes back, things can go back to the way they were.

If he was still alive, wouldn't his clerics still receive spells? I always thought only death of the god can stop that.

And Pharasma had said that yes Aroden is gone. Out of game some Paizo staff had said so too.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
So while I'm sure there are some that will complain about Hickman's work around, I for one welcome the fact he's made Goldballs WAY more fun and interesting that before.

The fact that this group of mutants works together to make that happen, proves what a great writer he is.

And yes making that work is a stretch but that happened before. I mean one example that comes to mind is Storms power makes her highly resistant against telepathy?

Just that Hope is on this Island would make anyone wonder, what she could do with all this powers at her hand. I mean Mimic with just five powers duplicated could get bad. But her duplicating jamie madrox and having all the other powers for example would get out of control real fast^^


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Great story. And he should have worn Glasses. That would have worked^^


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now I can't get the picture of a large group of cobolds following a metallic dragon everywhere and wondering than he will start doing "dragon stuff" (meaning the things the evil kind of dragon is usually up to)

And after some time they start to learn by example and discover that not being evil is something that is good for them.


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We could do that, yes^^


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The way the goverment in the Comics works someone will do it sooner or later. And will be surprised if it blows up in his face like the dozen of times before^^. I mean being stupid seems to be a requirement for the job.

So prepare for the new and improved Puppet Master as a brain in a jar or something like that.


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That's for certain.

Puppet Master is certainly alive. But I do not think he will be glad about it.


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Just read the new Fantastic Four and I must say it is a great example of the current version of the Hulk. The last page alone ....


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NotBothered wrote:
lowfyr01 wrote:


The discovery is something that would be too easy. That is one reason I think he stays at 19th level .
Do we know he's still 19th level or is it at all likely he might have levelled up when the new World Guide comes out this month?

With 2 Edition it might not make a difference, but I think he will stay at 19th level for now. For me it is one of his perks^^


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Doktor Weasel wrote:
lowfyr01 wrote:
Until old age catches up to him^^

He should have hit 20th level and taken Immortality as an arcane discovery while it was available. Or gotten himself some of that sweet, sweet Sun Orchid elixir. Blind auction where you pay regardless of who wins is pretty rough though. On the other hand, he could organize a heist to get a vial that someone else won. That could be an interesting part of an AP, with the party being tricked into doing it. I'm not sure if any of them have had a proper heist module.

I'm hoping that maybe the second 2020 AP or one of the 2021 ones will finally be a Razmirin AP. I do want him to stay in power though. He's just too interesting to let die.

The discovery is something that would be too easy. That is one reason I think he stays at 19th level . And the struggle with his own mortality and keeping up his con is one of the points that make him such an interesting character.

Getting the Elixir would be the best chance if he does not want to become undead. But I would try to buy it. Trying to steal it would not only get the seller on his case, but the other bidders, too. And that could get too much even for him.


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Until old age catches up to him^^


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I find it funny that working with Sorshen is something that gets such a reaction. Never played Winters Reign? You rescue someone who makes Sorshen looks harmless.

One last thing attacking Sorshen just because she is evil would make me wonder how good the party is. And redemption is something that any person calling themselves good should not ignore.


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Kevin Mack wrote:
Is pixie in any of them?

not yet.

@Thomas Seitz: For a number one compared to a lot of other stuff it is living up to the hype in my opinion. Esp. compared to a lot of X-Men stuff from the last years.


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Rednal wrote:


Later, I saw some quotes from the director indicating that he liked creating movies where some people loved them and some people hated them.

It's not like that would not happened anyway. Pleasing everyone with a movie was impossible with the first one and it is even more impossible now.

And it is a difference between not liking something and writing or making videos talking about the "agenda" of the movie or just trying to sell made-up stuff as fact. I mean some people on youtube seem to make a habit of talking about the "agenda" of Studios for getting more women or minorities in lead roles. Seeing that they do that to every movie that fits that I wonder what their agenda is^^


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Deadmanwalking wrote:

That bit of the story makes perfect sense to me. Walkena and Mzali are responding to a real and legitimate problem that the Mwangi Expanse has been having. They are doing so in an extreme and unrepentantly Evil fashion, with fascist leanings.

Many of the best villains are not purely Evil for the sake of it, they have a point. An argument and a cause that, taken on its own and ignoring their actions, even the most reasonable people can look at and say 'Hmmm, yes, that makes sense.' It's the things they do in pursuit of that cause (or that they claim are in pursuit of that cause, but actually reveal their hypocrisy) that make them villains.

That is true. That kind of villians are always better than the usual being evil for evils sake. Classic Examples are Magneto, Ra's al Ghul or more recent the already talked about Killmonger from Black Panther.


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zimmerwald1915 wrote:
VerBeeker wrote:
Though...why Zimmer would she aid a nation ruled by despot Devils? Or go after Galt or Ravounel?
She is a Romanov, and that house for four hundred years was among the most barbaric and despotic on Earth; for a hundred its armies buried generations of revolutionaries from Paris to Budapest to Warsaw. Anastasia was returned from death itself to ensure that this legacy would continue, and has been transplanted to a world that has not yet learned to fear the names of Moscow and Rome. It will. Its peoples run rampant. They will be brought to heel.

You make her sound like a more bloodthirsty version of Ivan the Terrible. That would be quite a feat. And with revolutionaries in Paris I hope you do not mean the war fought against the french revolution. That was not so black and white you make it sound.

Not to forget to conclude from her family to her being the same is not really a thing to do. Leaves a bit of bad taste.


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Great Story. And more than a little gross^^

Can't wait to read more about this.


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Great story. Would love to read more about the two.


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Rogar Valertis wrote:
Luis Loza wrote:
He has to be, right? Look at how adorable he looks in his portrait! That's the face of a sweetheart!

Seems like he just stepped on one of his "experiments" by mistake...

"Whoops! Sorry! It wasn't really my fault, you know... I wanted to test human reaction to high pressure and he just died on me! He obviously was flawed. We need more testing! Bring me another human!"

Next on the list is "how humans react to fire". He is really waiting for the results^^


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Love the story esp. that after all the talk that only gold matters, he has limits how to achieve it.

Regarding the wording "church fart" does not seem modernism to me. People in the middle ages talked a lot like that or worse^^


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Doktor Weasel wrote:


If he just needs to get to the Starstone, then actually walking alone through the city might very well be the best way to go. He can easily magic up some disguise for himself to look like a normal person, then once he gets to the temple, go do his thing. I haven't read the AP (mostly skimmed part 1) so probably his plan is more complex than just go take the test of the Starstone. But just walking in disguised would get a lot less resistance than marching a huge army of the undead across the continent.

I do not think he is the kind of guy to do that. Hiding himself or showing up and showing why he is the big bad? I would think the second option would be more likley^^


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Roswynn wrote:

I think it's Dr. Strange's cloak.

Or, the illegitimate child of Dr. Strange's cloak and Aladdin's carpet.

That night they were watching Tangled and things got unusually literal in bed.

That is a crossover, that needs to happen^^


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Yqatuba wrote:
Something I'm surprised no one mentioned: I don't like how Nocticula turned out to be a fallen empyreal lord as it's pretty obvious the only reason why they did this is because she's pretty (where as most of the other demon lords are hideous monsters). Indeed, I'm not really a fan of the whole "beauty equals goodness" trope in general.

Her being a fallen empyreal lord was just a theory if i remember correctley. She changed because something extraordinary happened and it is not like she is suddenly a force of good^^


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Like the changes and I am glad that her belt has been changed. Was not a fan of that. Surprised that the most important thing has not been commented on yet^^


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Would have loved to see more of West Coast Avengers. But perhaps the next version of Young Avengers will be better received. Should get Kelly Thompson on it to continue her great writing esp. of Kate and America^^


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Whispering Tyrant is not a lich but a Plant-that-walks?^^


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Roswynn wrote:

You know, I feel it's not a matter of modesty... it's more like, this chick was adventuring with her strange round breasts covered only by strips of cloth that somehow didn't completely fall over every 2 seconds... I'm all for sexy (men, women, etc), but it was a little too... "Hey, you can be a badass sorceress!!! (If you show your boobs & ass)".

Oh O_O That I didn't know. Seems to me she's dressed absolutely sensibly both on the Playtest cover and everywhere else she's wearing the new outfit. I really don't see the problem. Different strokes I suppose, but still, dammit...

Mmm, maybe they can look hot if the artist wants it, but if someone's totally covered that's literally the exact opposite of skimpy, I think... still, I might be wrong!

-Yes, I think practical is the word i should have used. And the difference is often "that looks sexy" compared to "that is over the top and can not really work."^^

-It reminded me of the old Simpsons joke about showing the ankle.

-Oh, I thought the word meant something more general. But any excuse for using the dictionary again is a good one^^


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Yes I know that her first outfit was not what someone would call modest^^.

What I meant was that all someone could see of her on the cover for the Playtest for example was a part of her leg , because we see her in an action pose from behind with a big cloak and we got a discussion about seeing too much skin.

I like the new outfit too, but i wonder, if for some people that will be enough.

And let's not forget even totally covered someone can look "skimpy" if the artist wants it^^


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Looks good and to anyone who thinks she needs bigger muscles. That does not say much about strength. Bodybuilders for example are not nesc. the strongest. They just have the muscle build after training for it and the usage of certain dietary supplements^^.

And if anyone thinks wiry people are not strong enough anyone remembers Bruce Lee for example^^?

And rereading this I kind of dread the Iconic Evolution of Seoni.

I mean if seeing part of her leg got someone to write about her being not "dressed right" I fear what kind of outfit she could get to not have page after page of discussion about it drowing out the interesting stuff about her and the scorcerer.


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Great series. That is one that i can not wait for the next issue^^

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