Razmir's Future


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I was pondering in an idle moment what's going to happen next with Razmir.
Will he get his own AP?

Or be the focus of maybe a PFS story where we learn a bit more of what's going on with him and what he's plotting.

Or do you think it will be a while before he crops up and nothing concrete is currently planned for him?

Please chip in with your opinions of where, how or even you think Razmir is going to make an impression.

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I think it will be a while before we see Razmir getting a spotlight in an AP or module, mostly because other stuff has been put in the production line already


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His future shall be glorious and everlasting!


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Until old age catches up to him^^


lowfyr01 wrote:
Until old age catches up to him^^

He should have hit 20th level and taken Immortality as an arcane discovery while it was available. Or gotten himself some of that sweet, sweet Sun Orchid elixir. Blind auction where you pay regardless of who wins is pretty rough though. On the other hand, he could organize a heist to get a vial that someone else won. That could be an interesting part of an AP, with the party being tricked into doing it. I'm not sure if any of them have had a proper heist module.

I'm hoping that maybe the second 2020 AP or one of the 2021 ones will finally be a Razmirin AP. I do want him to stay in power though. He's just too interesting to let die.


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Doktor Weasel wrote:
lowfyr01 wrote:
Until old age catches up to him^^

He should have hit 20th level and taken Immortality as an arcane discovery while it was available. Or gotten himself some of that sweet, sweet Sun Orchid elixir. Blind auction where you pay regardless of who wins is pretty rough though. On the other hand, he could organize a heist to get a vial that someone else won. That could be an interesting part of an AP, with the party being tricked into doing it. I'm not sure if any of them have had a proper heist module.

I'm hoping that maybe the second 2020 AP or one of the 2021 ones will finally be a Razmirin AP. I do want him to stay in power though. He's just too interesting to let die.

The discovery is something that would be too easy. That is one reason I think he stays at 19th level . And the struggle with his own mortality and keeping up his con is one of the points that make him such an interesting character.

Getting the Elixir would be the best chance if he does not want to become undead. But I would try to buy it. Trying to steal it would not only get the seller on his case, but the other bidders, too. And that could get too much even for him.


lowfyr01 wrote:


The discovery is something that would be too easy. That is one reason I think he stays at 19th level .

Do we know he's still 19th level or is it at all likely he might have levelled up when the new World Guide comes out this month?

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I though Tar Baphon backhanded him on the way south, and that was the end of his fake kingdom.


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I really hope we get to see more Razmir soon. An AP focusing on the Living God or even just a module set in Razmiran might actually be enough to convince me to buy a PF2 product and slog through the process of converting it to PF1.


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We just got those sweet Razmiran minis in the latest Battles set. Here's hoping there's an upcoming adventure to put them to good use.

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Doktor Weasel wrote:
lowfyr01 wrote:
Until old age catches up to him^^
He should have hit 20th level and taken Immortality as an arcane discovery while it was available.

Too late, that's a 1E thing.


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Not gonna lie, I kinda want Tar-Baphon to curb stomp Razmir. Little snot-nosed punk.


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NotBothered wrote:
lowfyr01 wrote:


The discovery is something that would be too easy. That is one reason I think he stays at 19th level .
Do we know he's still 19th level or is it at all likely he might have levelled up when the new World Guide comes out this month?

With 2 Edition it might not make a difference, but I think he will stay at 19th level for now. For me it is one of his perks^^


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lowfyr01 wrote:


Getting the Elixir would be the best chance if he does not want to become undead. But I would try to buy it. Trying to steal it would not only get the seller on his case, but the other bidders, too. And that could get too much even for him.

Well, he doesn't have to steal it from the seller. Stealing it from the buyer might be an easier thing. And pin the whole thing on some convenient stooges (like the PCs) to take the blame instead of him.

Of course there is the very real possibility that Razmir isn't the same Razmir who started the country. Dude wears a mask whenever he's seen. Who would notice if he was replaced by another dude in a mask? I call this the "Dread Pirate Razmir" theory. Another could be that there never was a Razmir, that it's a persona used by an organization, or even some non-human entity.

There's also the possibility of him actually taking the test of the Starstone (assuming he's one person). If he gets desperate enough, he might chance it. He's got some real power, and already being worshiped as a god, and that might help somehow. It's possible he's been studying it and preparing for years. Or because he's got a cult / organized crime ring with lots of magic, he might pull some other shenanigans. Like stealing the Starstone itself. Get all Carmaen Sandiego on that thing.

zimmerwald1915 wrote:
Doktor Weasel wrote:
lowfyr01 wrote:
Until old age catches up to him^^
He should have hit 20th level and taken Immortality as an arcane discovery while it was available.
Too late, that's a 1E thing.

Well yeah, that was what I meant by "when it was available."


Doktor Weasel wrote:


Well, he doesn't have to steal it from the seller. Stealing it from the buyer might be an easier thing. And pin the whole thing on some convenient stooges (like the PCs) to take the blame instead of him.

Of course there is the very real possibility that Razmir isn't the same Razmir who started the country. Dude wears a mask whenever he's seen. Who would notice if he was replaced by another dude in a mask? I call this the "Dread Pirate Razmir" theory. Another could be that there never was a Razmir, that it's a persona used by an organization, or even some non-human entity.

There's also the possibility of him actually taking the test of the Starstone (assuming he's one person). If he gets desperate enough, he might chance it. He's got some real power, and already being worshiped as a god, and that might help somehow. It's possible he's been studying it and preparing for years. Or because he's got a cult / organized crime ring with lots of magic, he might pull some other shenanigans. Like stealing the Starstone itself. Get all Carmaen Sandiego on that thing.

That could work too^^

And yes that is one theory that would be fun to work with. The real Razmir died years ago and now we have his valet a low level commoner running the show^^


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Doktor Weasel wrote:


There's also the possibility of him actually taking the test of the Starstone (assuming he's one person). If he gets desperate enough, he might chance it. He's got some real power, and already being worshiped as a god, and that might help somehow. It's possible he's been studying it and preparing for years. Or because he's got a cult / organized crime ring with lots of magic, he might pull some other shenanigans. Like stealing the Starstone itself. Get all Carmaen Sandiego on that thing.

All fun theories, though I personally think that the Starstone is not for Razmir. He's a powerful wizard in tyrannical control of a nation, but he's intentionally portrayed on a more human scale IMO. He's more powerful than most PCs ever are, but also distinctly not on the scale of the most powerful Runelords, Geb/Nex, and notably his neighbour in the Whispering Tyrant. I feel like the Starstone is reserved for mythic level characters (using PF1 terminology). Razmir isn't going to scorch the skies or conquer continents, he's going to try and cheat death. His is a mortal motivation, and I think would suit a more mortal storyline. An AP around Razmiran could even have Razmir appear as the major foe of the 5th installment, with the characters having to deal with the horrible powers unleashed by his attempts/bargains to cheat death. I think that is what makes him a compelling villain. His similarities to the tyrants, propagandists, and charlatans of Earth.


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Since Razmir and Tar-Baphon are both "pet characters" for Jason Bulmahn, I doubt that their lives or presence in the setting will be threatened in any meaningful way.


Not sure about that, but I expect there is some long term plan for them.


vagrant-poet wrote:
Doktor Weasel wrote:


There's also the possibility of him actually taking the test of the Starstone (assuming he's one person). If he gets desperate enough, he might chance it. He's got some real power, and already being worshiped as a god, and that might help somehow. It's possible he's been studying it and preparing for years. Or because he's got a cult / organized crime ring with lots of magic, he might pull some other shenanigans. Like stealing the Starstone itself. Get all Carmaen Sandiego on that thing.
All fun theories, though I personally think that the Starstone is not for Razmir. He's a powerful wizard in tyrannical control of a nation, but he's intentionally portrayed on a more human scale IMO. He's more powerful than most PCs ever are, but also distinctly not on the scale of the most powerful Runelords, Geb/Nex, and notably his neighbour in the Whispering Tyrant. I feel like the Starstone is reserved for mythic level characters (using PF1 terminology). Razmir isn't going to scorch the skies or conquer continents, he's going to try and cheat death. His is a mortal motivation, and I think would suit a more mortal storyline. An AP around Razmiran could even have Razmir appear as the major foe of the 5th installment, with the characters having to deal with the horrible powers unleashed by his attempts/bargains to cheat death. I think that is what makes him a compelling villain. His similarities to the tyrants, propagandists, and charlatans of Earth.

Those are some great points there. Yeah, going the Starstone route might be a bit of a thematic clash. And I agree that Razmir's humanity is a big reason why he's a compelling character. And he is rather risk-adverse, so he'd probably only go that route if desperate, or he's found some good method to cheat.

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Doktor Weasel wrote:
Of course there is the very real possibility that Razmir isn't the same Razmir who started the country. Dude wears a mask whenever he's seen. Who would notice if he was replaced by another dude in a mask? I call this the "Dread Pirate Razmir" theory. Another could be that there never was a Razmir, that it's a persona used by an organization, or even some non-human entity.

Because of the mask-thing, he's a perfect person for someTHING to show up and replace, gaining a free country / religion for the effort. (That something would have to be able to sneak up to and gank Razmir, who, I'd suspect is neither easy to sneak up on, or gank, but that's just a challenge to the mythic-Rakshasa-with-class-levels who sets their sights on this goal!)


Set wrote:


Because of the mask-thing, he's a perfect person for someTHING to show up and replace, gaining a free country / religion for the effort. (That something would have to be able to sneak up to and gank Razmir, who, I'd suspect is neither easy to sneak up on, or gank, but that's just a challenge to the mythic-Rakshasa-with-class-levels who sets their sights on this goal!)

Or even just an ambitious would be successor.

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