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I have yet to find a OGL or Pathfinder version of Magens from X2: Castle Amber. I have been waiting for these to pop up for ages. If I remember correctly they are a construct that is brewed up or crafted with alchemy. My impression was that they looked like sexless humans. There are four versions from the module: Hypnos, Demos, Caldron and Calvan.

Cool cool. Looking forward to it!

So now that Pathfinder Origins has wrapped up what is the next series and when is it coming out? I enjoy the comics a lot so hopefully something is in the works.

Personally I don't mind if the Tavern set has a large number of non-combatants. I'm hoping for at least one barkeep, a couple tavern wenches, a bard, a cook, a bouncer, a mysterious old man (to give out quests of course), a stableboy, some town watch, a pickpocket, a thug (to start brawls)...I wouldn't even be adverse to off-duty townpeoples like butchers, bakers, merchants etc.

Cool. I've actually been working on my own list for the last couple nights. A combination of Google searches, various wikis, the Paizo blog posts, previous messageboard comments, my own books etc has enabled me to complete lists for the first few sets. I'm on WotR right now which should be easier as I have all those books. Some of the figures were hard to figure out (ie. Lost Soul = Bodak) but I'm progressing...
If I get stuck on any I'll post my request here.

A couple examples of what I've been doing (from my Rise of the Runelords set figs 19-21):
Warrior of Wrath (Human) (Evoker/Fighter/Eldright Knight) (AP05)
Wraith (Undead) (Bestiary)
Goblin Commando on Goblin Dog

So as you see one of the figs was detailed for the information, one just had a couple things added and I didn't bother adding anything to the third as the name said it all.

I may have to go back and add certain tags (ie. Male/Female) that I didn't bother with. Also I haven't used page numbers for the references just the book though maybe I'll add those later. The Bestiaries are alphabetical anyway.

Thanks from me too. Continuing in the same vein where is the Pirate Sailor (same set) artwork from?

Has anyone gone through the effort of making a guide to the miniatures and their source? This would be especially handy for "named" figures which are for a specific character from a specific book.
The list could also include the "book" name for the more generic miniatures (ie. Barbed Devil instead of Sentinel Devil) to make it easier to find in Bestiaries etc.
Even the art source would help for figures.

I have trouble thinking of Asmodeus as a primordial deity. Having played D&D since 1st he's always been the head Arch Devil to me and not necessarily even the first one.
Now he's upjumped himself to major deity status; his shrines have turned into temples and his cults to churches and he's attempting to rewrite the past by putting out alternate (false) histories in books like Book of the Damned. He's had a huge success on Golarion where an entire empire worships or reveres his teachings and has bought into his creation myths hook, line and sinker.
The scholars of Golarion may not debate his origins but on other (older) material plane worlds they know otherwise (though he's working on that as well).
Of course all the above is just how I see things.

Your DM is being ridiculous. Wanting to add a more realistic system for living expenses, equipment wear and taxation is fine but the system has to be workable.
There are rules for living expenses already.
As for equipment wear, I agree that equipment damage being hand waved off after battle is a bit silly but it's simple. If he really needs a system for equipment wear it needs to workable. Magic rings don't need maintenance and even if they did they wouldn't need more maintenance after you level. Having craft skills, the Mending spell and even Prestidigitation spell to clean your clothing and cut down on washing wear and tear should save money.
Taxation is a difficult thing for most players to accept. I've worked it into a campaign before but the players had a vested interest in becoming local powers plus they were mostly Lawful so it wasn't a problem. It was a significant amount but they could deal with it.
As for "thievery tax", well, I agree it does make sense that after a party of adventurers walks back into town loaded down with monsters' gear, hides, treasure etc they might be a target for the local thieves' guild. That's a difficult situation though. Most players despise having their gear stolen from them and I understand why. Generally, when we were younger at least, there was a social contract between me and my players where the local thieves didn't steal from them and they didn't rob tax collectors, merchants, nobles etc. It kept things easier. Nowadays my players are older and more experienced and could deal with a case of thievery but they have guards and take precautions. Most of their wealth is in trade goods anyway. Hard to carry mass amount of bales of cured leather and ingots of cold iron (but I digress).

Is there any printed information on the Crusader's Oath that crusaders take? All I remember is that it exists and that a lot of crusader's break their oath.

I'm curious if it's something crusader's take before they leave for Mendev or that they take when they arrive.

Do oath takers have to forswear holdings, titles, or property in other kingdoms? I could see this as if a crusader has nothing to go back to their more likely to stay, plus I did read (on a wiki..) that a couple of the Crusades were supported by Cheliax, Andoran and Taldor with the express purpose of getting rid of troublemakers and/or riff raff. Including something in the Oath tying them to the new land (or at least until the Worldwound is closed, yeah, right) would support this.

Is the oath for life? I would assume so.

Obviously there are no magical or supernatural consequences to breaking the oath.

Ah, I just found the Oath on the Low Templar prestige class write up.
I'm going to post this anyway just to see what other people think the Oath should be or if they think there would be more to it.

I would like to point out that the odds of getting an exact duplicate of an entire case is 1 in 22,664,576,435,400,900. That's one in 22.6 quadrillion. This assumes equal rarity (which they aren't but I don't know the spread) and no duplicates. It does account for 8 large and 24 small/medium sized models.

So at one end of the scale you have true random; at the other you have pre-packed. I believe a reasonable expectation would lie somewhere in the middle. To have your purchase land on such extreme end of the scale speaks to something wrong.

I can't imagine getting 3 of the same random brick. That odds of that would be approx 1 in 513,683,024,996,130,000,000,000,000,000,000.

So stop blaming the victims or blowing smoke. You're making money from this so it is partially your issue. I haven't gotten a response from Wizkids, so if you could give me a customer service email I would appreciate it. I can't find anything online.

And I am not the other poster. All my posts are under this account.

So I went to Wizkids site and filled out a "Product Replacement Request". Instructions are sorely lacking on it though. I filled out a list of minis and that was it. I am assuming they contact me next? There's no place to write a description of the situation. The product replacement request feature might just be for broken models I don't know, it doesn't say. Well, they have my e-mail, hopefully I'll hear from them soon.

Thanks for the offer bugley; you're the second to offer a trade, I'll try to organize something in the next day or two if I don't have any success with Wizkids.

Keep in mind I love the minis; if I didn't I wouldn't have bought a second brick and wouldn't be upset at the duplication.

In response to Vic's comment on randomization, I am an experienced buyer of CCGs in the past and have never gotten duplicate boxes (of course the selection number is much much higher with cards). Still the context of random when buying gaming products is (in my previous experience) such that duplicate boxes should be near impossible, even with the smaller selection of minis. I understand that random isn't truly random but it should still be random. But I'm beating a dead horse here it seems.

Maybe this should be something the retailers and distributors should be made aware of so they can keep their boosters/bricks separated or organized as to where they came from.

And to Lisa, I do understand Wizkids is making this product but it is associated with your name and your game therefore it is disingenuous to lump all blame onto Wizkids especially considering the niche market we are talking about. Passing the buck is what's wrong with corporate America these days.

To everyone telling me to buy things by the case keep in mind that this is a hobby and while I may set aside money for bricks saving up over $500 for an entire case is not something I'm in a position to do.

I'll alert the retailers I deal with how the product is "randomized" so other people can hopefully avoid this. I know one of them orders by the brick not the case so they might appreciate it.

I'll try contacting Wizkids tomorrow; I'll keep this thread apprised of any progress made.

Thanks for responding.

labmonkey wrote:

Unfortunately I've had a bad experience buying these minis. I bought a brick at a retailer and quite enjoyed the models. That retailer couldn't get more so I bought another brick at a different retailer and got EXACTLY the same models. I've complained to customer service over at http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz6mhr?Duplicate-Brick#7 but all I get are excuses. My point is that the boxes say "Random assortment" and so I should expect an actual random assortment and now I'm told (and have read on this messageboard) that the boxes seem partially prepacked so that if you buy an entire case (!) you are pretty likely to get a complete set. This, however, is not explained on the boxes at the retail store.

I'm pretty annoyed anyway; maybe I'm in the wrong here with my expectation of a random brick but I don't think so.

I can see your point, however I'm not sure about the expectation. It's always going to be a partial, not true randomisation anyhow (since I'm sure the process isn't going to put three identical mediums in one booster and you'd presumably accept that level of filtering).

The issue here, it seems to me, is where one draws the line as to how random they are. All I can say is that the wizkids/paizo approach seems reasonable to me and (as an assiduous reader of these threads) I've never seen anyone else share your expectations. That doesn't really help, I guess, but that's my impression.

If you're interested in trading, send me a pm - I have a bunch of spares and would be happy to send you basically whichever minis you'd like in one-for-one exchange. Might cost a few shipping dollars, but you'll get exactly what you want...

Thanks for your response; perhaps you're correct in that my expectations were too high. Next time, if I buy miniatures at all, I'll buy one brick and pick up the rest on the singles market. It seems like (after having read the boards)that multiple bricks tend to stick people with far too many of named figs and not enough commons anyway.

Product Description wrote:

Purchasers should get no to very few duplicate figures in a brick. Buyers who purchase factory-sealed cases should get a nearly complete set of figures. (As with any randomized product, collation is not guaranteed.)

My point is that is doesn't say that on the box in the retail store where I purchased it. I expected that "random" meant random, which is what the box said.

Unfortunately I've had a bad experience buying these minis. I bought a brick at a retailer and quite enjoyed the models. That retailer couldn't get more so I bought another brick at a different retailer and got EXACTLY the same models. I've complained to customer service over at http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz6mhr?Duplicate-Brick#7 but all I get are excuses. My point is that the boxes say "Random assortment" and so I should expect an actual random assortment and now I'm told (and have read on this messageboard) that the boxes seem partially prepacked so that if you buy an entire case (!) you are pretty likely to get a complete set. This, however, is not explained on the boxes at the retail store.
I'm pretty annoyed anyway; maybe I'm in the wrong here with my expectation of a random brick but I don't think so.

My point is that there is no way my bricks were random; customer service as much as said so and that's what I've since read on the boards as they try to pack bricks so a case will get you a full set. I understand that now but as a buyer in a retail store with experience in buying random packs of minis or cards before this is not something I should reasonably expect. The booster say "Random assortment of minis". Taking the Large minis alone there's only a 1 in 12870 chance of duplication from brick to brick (assuming equal rarity as I don't know the spread, and also assuming no duplicates in the brick). Once you account in the 24 other models the odds are astronomical; I'm taking trillions or much, much higher. My spreadsheet doesn't go that high with real numbers.
So that being said, again there's no way I should reasonably expect a entire duplicate brick unless the boxes are not random despite what the box says. That's the main reason I'm annoyed. Being told to go buy an entire case or track what bricks retailers have is not a reasonable response.
It's a shame as I love Pathfinder and the prepainted minis and was really looking forward to opening my new brick and seeing what I got. Can you imagine the disapointment and disbelief when I went through all my boxes to get an exact duplicate of my previous brick? I have a good enough grasp of math and odds that right away I knew things were askew and now I'm being told it's intentional. If it's intentional DON'T put "Random assortment" on the boxes. It's misleading if the boxes are partially prepacked.

Yes, but I am not purchasing miniatures by the case. You are selling them by the case, brick or booster and they are supposed to be random. I don't need an explanation of how they are boxed when they are labelled "Random assortment in each box". I am extremely disappointed by your response and service. How in the world am I supposed to keep track of which bricks are which in a retailer's store anyway? If you are doing something like this you should label the bricks "A", "B", "C" and "D" so people can tell them apart. I didn't even know I had to watch out for things like this until after the fact when I read through the product board.
I understand you're trying to help people who buy cases to get a complete set but people who buy bricks at retailers sure (like me) sure are hung out to dry.
You should pack cases/bricks destined for the retail market actually randomly so people don't get screwed. I just wasted $125 and am pretty annoyed and your response doesn't help.

Well, I hope something can be done. The boxes say "Random assortment in each box" and if they are prearranged they aren't random. The bricks should say "Brick A" and "Brick B" etc. I'm pretty peeved anyway. Maybe I can trade away some of the duplicate named uncommons and rares, I really don't need multiple Mithral Mages or Aldern Foxgloves.

I bought a brick of Rise of the Runelord pre-painted miniatures. I liked them a lot so went to a different gaming store and bought another brick. The contents of the second brick were exactly the same as the first brick. Exactly. I thought the brick were supposed to be randomized? Is there anything that can be done about this?

Yeah, I think you are right. Too bad, we (my player and I) were working on an Empyreal Knight/Sacred Servant build with Eldritch Heritage to give DR to summoned creatures.
That's ok, he didn't really want to lose Lay on Hands anyway (which Empyreal Knight takes away).
HeroLab was just working so well for awhile but I find with more obscure builds it fails sometimes; just got used to trusting it but it had me wondering with this one.
Thanks for the help.

pick one or the other lol?

I'm curious if Empyreal Knight and Sacred Servant conflict if a Paladin wanted to take both archtypes as at 5th level one bonds with a mount and the other bonds with a holy symbol.

HeroLab lets me add both archtypes but it's not perfect.

I like the Demonblight Crusade. Or at least something with the word Crusade.

I'm actually running a crusade campaign for my group at the moment. The adventure started off way down in Isger and consists of:
Paladin of Iomedae - trained in secret in Cheliax
Cleric of Iomedae (War/Glory)- originator of the crusade
Sorceror (Infernal) - fleeing Cheliax to escape her heritage
Druid of Desnae - to find the right paths that lead to their destination.

Yes, the group has a lot of healing. They're currently in Druma now; only third level so far. The crusade mostly consists of peasants to settle in Mendev though they have a couple former caravan guards they've aspired to their cause and freed slaves who've joined them.

Ah, that's an answer which makes sense. Thanks for the quick reply!

So I've been Pathfinder for a couple months now. I've picked up a smattering of products from my local shop, including The Great Beyond.
The Great Beyond and the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign setting list the Outer Planes the same way.
Reading Bestiary 2, which I picked up today, under the Petitioner entry some of the Planes are different.
Instead of Axis, Maelstrom and Boneyard they list Utopia, Limbo and Purgatory for those alignments instead.
Is there a reason for the different names or just the author labelling them differently?

Thanks for the quick reply.

Cheers!

Hey all,

Lets say I have a Dex 18 level Fighter wearing a Chain Shirt. This is a base AC of 18.
1 - If he takes Dodge is he AC 18 or 19 while wearing the Chain Shirt?
2 - If he has Mobility and is being attacked with an AoO is he AC 18, 19, 22, or 23?

I didn't think Dodge or Mobility dodge bonuses were considered against Max Dex when wearing armour but I have the Hero Lab program and it seems one AC short when I built my fighter. It then occured to me that Mobility also might be hindered.

Thanks in advance.

labmonkey wrote:

My version of Adobe (not the full version) can't export the images.

Hopefully someone will come up with a plan, like a page filled with about half houses and half common buildings like shops and stuff.

There's a free program called SomePDF image extractor that you can use to extract the images from the Player's Guide. You can then use these in your home game as you wish. You cannot distribute them however, in any format, according to Paizo's art use policy.

That did the trick. Thanks for your help.

My version of Adobe (not the full version) can't export the images.
Hopefully someone will come up with a plan, like a page filled with about half houses and half common buildings like shops and stuff.

Hey all,

Has Paizo released the building icons from Kingmaker in a editable format like jpg?

That being said have they release the city map grid that way either? All I have are the pages from my .pdf download. We've been printing them and cutting out the buildings and gluing them to printed map grids and while that's all fun I am out of houses!!! I would like to either cut/paste houses to a city map grid on my computer and simply reprint the cities now and then when they get built up a bit more or make my own sheets with a couple dozen houses and the more common building types and print those so we can physically chop them up and glue the buildings.

I don't have any kind of fancy programs for editing, just Paint.