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Ravingdork wrote:
bcpeery wrote:

i can grant you that some of the equipment can be made smaller for of other materials... are you paying for that luxury or just assuming you can have it because the rules don't say you cannot?

If my players want something that would be considered nonstandard, there is a price for premium equipment. (made of different materials, ect.)

What luxury? A tent is a tent is a tent. It doesn't matter if it is burlap or polka-dot cotton. If I'm not getting any mechanical benefit and it isn't laced out of rubies, why should I have to pay more?

because fine light weight material (oil treated silk to stick with period) is much more expensive than standard burlap or canvas. Metal pully system is going to take more time to manufacture than a simple wooden block and tackle. ect, ect, ect.

Not everything has to only be about a mechanical bonus just because it has an added cost. Think about the types of people your PC is going to be dealing with. Think about their mentality. (Profit vs. time to make, ect.)

If this doesn't make it easy enough to understand my point then i must not be getting my point across clear enough.


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i can grant you that some of the equipment can be made smaller for of other materials... are you paying for that luxury or just assuming you can have it because the rules don't say you cannot?

If my players want something that would be considered nonstandard, there is a price for premium equipment. (made of different materials, ect.)


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Yes. I looked SPECIFICALLY what was in the backpack. one block and tackle takes up about the same dimensions as a shoe box. (i have owned these in real life, we used them on the farm when i was growing up). I would allow for smaller ones in my game IF you spent the money to have a masterwork one made. But then again, that is my game. Also, a new tent that is made of light weight rip stop material that will sleep two is still a sizable object. one modern MRE (enough calories to sustain a human for 24 hours) is roughly 4inches by 6inches by 12inches. Now torches....

do you understand where a DM could be coming from?


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I am not trying to anger anyone here but i have two things to add:

1: Rule 0.

2: I was in the Army. A military style large pack capable of carrying what you have listed is not a standard ruck sack. You are looking more at the larger backpack (not necessarily the old green duffel bags). they typically are not what i would think a backpack is. Regardless, even with the quick release straps that hold the top of a ruck down unless you have shoulders and elbows that can move into any direction ( ie. you have no ligaments or cartilage) you cannot get them open while on your back.

In my games I interpret the word "usually" to imply at the DM's Discretion. not every single situation can be thought of and discussed. Situations are going to come up that the DM cannot plan for. That's the fun of players. My DM's have done this to me. Its a situational ruling.

Get on with the game.


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Good Question. I have a similar issue about throwing one into a (insert name of huge creature capable of swollow whole) mouth or dropping it once swolled by said (insert name of huge creature capable of swollow whole). I would like to see some more input on this.