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thank you both for the help. I will present this to them today to see if this helps settle things.

I have looked and looked but nothing as far as "move then cleave" goes. My question is "when does the -2 AC penalty apply?" What I mean is if I move taking two AoO's then I stop and cleave do I have the -2 AC for the AoO's against me or only after I Cleave?

I ask cause this came up but there is no clarification on this. I also understand that when you cleave you have a -2 AC till your next turn. All in all I want to know is "for the AoO's during my move action before my standard action (and how I feel BEFORE I have to declare my cleave) do I take the -2 AC penalty?"

It was brought up that I do take the penalty during my move, but I disagreed saying that I did not declare cleave till after my move nor did I have to declare it because it is now only a standard action to cleave. please help shed some lite on this and we are playing in a Society game so very rules based.

Thank you all in advance for your insight and help.

So, i have a crafting wizard and we're playing kingmaker, we just hitted lvl 5 and started building the kingdom.

I'm a LN mage follower of Abadar, the other party member are a paladin a LG oracle, a NG inquisitor and a N druid.

I decided to add a 10% fee on the creation cost when crafting item for the party (this mean that a belt of +2 str will cost them 2200 instead of 2000, which is still a lot better than 4000); this caused an unexpected reaction on the other players (not pg, players).

They now pretty much consider me to be a jerk, just suggesting this we're arrived to the point of them preferring to buy the items at full price and they said me this is not right since the don't make me pay for cure, tanking ecc ecc.

This was totally unexpected by this group since they are always very mature, am i missing something and being "that guy" without knowing? Is this some kind of delicate argument in the average group?

Some advice on how to deal with this situation will be most appreciated! :)

okay what im about to say here is probably a thing of the past this dispute is kind of old.

First off i have never been a crafting caster, I leave that to my friends. I do know this crafting casters help in battle to (hints why healers fighters ext ext cant charge for battle services because everyone is involved in the fight, so trash that crap argument)

Next reading over some of the posts no one has a VALID argument as to why he can not charge. its like tipping in big cities ITS REQUIRED that and he is spending his time and FEATS to do this. If I was crafting I would charge around 15% I mean why shouldn't he?

As a non craftier I look at this and am like hmmmm 4000g for belt or 2150g for belt just like I don't know...I think I take 4000g one I is stupid barbarian can't count savings...come on shut up and pay the 15% and get over it you are STILL SAVING MONEY!!

My advice is just tell them: I understand where you are coming from, but Most of you are feat hungry needing to take specific feats at the right time to get the right feat progression. I however am taking this feat using MY spare time and providing you with while not the best discount it is the best you will find, and it is keeping the money in the party as well. If you were to charge for doing stuff in fights like stopping that Orc or healing me, I too cast spells that if used as a scroll cost money. I do not charge for that cause just like you that is my roll in the party. To round this off I make you Items for cheaper and it should be considered a FAVOR not my job because I do spend MY time and MY feats to do this as an EXTRA job, not as my party roll.

I really hope this helps. cause if my craftier charged me (as he occasionally does) I PAY him the extra cause the money stays in the party and I get the SAME EXACT ITEM I WANT FOR CHEAPER!!! That's how I see it anywho. hope you all have fun playing your games with a new view of your hard at work craftier, caster friend.