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So bard is too weak for a two man campaign?

Will need a full caster? Preferably Cleric/Oracle?

You might want the flexibility of a cleric over an oracle when it comes to spell selection. 2 players isn't necessarily 2 characters, anyone going to take leadership or get some other bodies on the field? Play multiple characters?

Yah, I know.

But I love oracles fluff and I know some builds that can give me charisma, saves, and initiative in the couple hundreds.

Druid. The pet will help with melee, and you can heal and blast and buff, etc.

Have the newbie play a ranger or slayer. Skills and 2 good save and good at fighting, little to no magic. Less boring than a fighter, and more guided (you pick a combat style and then choose from 4 or 5 feats, as opposed to picking from 1000+ combat feats).

In my experience, lots of newbies like to Climb stuff and be Stealthy. Perception and Survival can be used a lot, too, and give the newbie a reason to have an above average Wisdom score, and that shores up their poor Will saves.

Was thinking of showing him the ranger, thought it would be cool

And while I like tue concept of the druid, every time I play one I want to kill myself. They are so BORINGGGGGG. I really do want to like them, but I end up playing wizards instead.

How would oracle be instead? I really love the class fluff and it is a full caster.

Bard might be too under-powered and the +1 from your performance might be forgotten by your noob friend anyway. A power class such as magus maybe, uses both fighter and wizard concepts and has fire power.

You would know the spells by heart and it lets you get in the mix. On the other hand to off set your low numbers you might try two characters and let your friend play one character.

Thanks for the suggestion but I HATE arcane gish's. Not really sure why, because divine ones are fine but I just don't like the magus (Note: I don't really consider the bard a arcane gish.

With just two players, the DM will have to adjust encounters for balance anyway, or you are totally hosed.

I'd try bard, or a divine caster. Cleric's got hitting power, and decent support spells including summons.

Was definetly thinking of oracle or cleric, because I coupd buff/support and also have utility and combat ability but not overshadow.

He won't adjust it, and that is because I don't want him to. Before any of our groups we would play together just him the dm and me the player. I am quite used to soloing and I know how to play around the lack of players.

We have a small group, only three people. My friend is a gamemaster and I am the veteran player, our other player is a newbie. Meaning they have never played pathfinder or even an rpg before.

My guess is he will probably play a more basic class, eg. some melee like fighter. I will help guide him along and try to make the game interesting for him.

My dilemma is I dont know what clas to play, my go to class is wizard for most campaigns but since my old group split (Only dm and I still). But I don't want to completely overshadow my friend because I want him to have a good time (Playing wizard for three years sure lets you know how to min/max them) but I also don't want the campaign to flop. Meaning if I don't play a more powerful class we might not do so well.

I was thinking about trying bard, I have played one once before and it is quite fun, I know he won't really overshadow, at least not like a full caster but I am worried he won't be able to "carry" that well. Would he be ok to play?

If not bard or wizard do you guys have any suggestions? I want them to be able to cast magic at least somewhat, so no melee based fighters like fighter or barb (I don't count them as casting magic).

Thanks - Yoshu

Bump

What is your favorite full casting class? Mine is wizard.

Also I have noticed Druids aren't that popular around the forums and in a lot of gaming groups, anyone else notice this?

Thanks for posting James! :)

Not really into the skald.

So a bard is not lacking as the only caster then?

Also thx for all the help

I've got a bard concept kicking around in my head based on the various legends of beating the Devil in a fiddle contest. Basically a bard that goes around betting his soul to outsiders over performance contests. He would take Skill Focus(Perform) and all the masterpieces for his chosen performance so as to be "the best ever."

Yoshu Uhsoy, you might consider a witch or druid if you want to bridge the divine/arcane gap with a 9th level caster. Both of their spell lists bring a little from both sides. Neither is as specialized as the cleric or wizard lists but they might do what you are looking for.

I like your bard idea it is quite creative

Also I have tried playing a Druid and I absolutely hated it.

Link? I've never heard of it either. There's the Prestige Class for 3.5, but I think you might be crazy, Yoshu. :P

*Edit: NINJAS, ATTACK!

Yes I mean the 3.5 one. Sry I did not realize, we sometimes use 3.5 stuff in our game.

And how did you know I was crazy :P

Changing the spell levels a class gets access to is a huge change.

Yes it is quite nice

Snowblind I am surprised you have not heard of it before?

Yoshu Uhsoy wrote:

Snowblind wrote:

Yoshu Uhsoy wrote:

Since I am the only spell caster do you recommend I take an archetype that gives me 9th level spells?

There is no archetype that gives 9th level spells. Not for the bard, or any other class.

What are the other players in your campaign running? Also, what is the campaign itself going to be like? It's hard to give good advice without knowing both of those.

1. Sublime archetype gives 9th level spells

Huh?

That's...a pretty hefty archetype.

?

What would be the best class to have if you only had one spell caster?

Wizard?

Cleric?

Still is it viable as the only spell caster in an rotrl campaign?

Yoshu Uhsoy wrote:

Since I am the only spell caster do you recommend I take an archetype that gives me 9th level spells?

There is no archetype that gives 9th level spells. Not for the bard, or any other class.

What are the other players in your campaign running? Also, what is the campaign itself going to be like? It's hard to give good advice without knowing both of those.

1. Sublime archetype gives 9th level spells

2. We are running rotrl

3. I am not really sure what everyone else will be playing, probably a melee focused martial.

Yoshu Uhsoy wrote:

Wait maybe I shouldn't play bard though cause I will be the only spell caster in the group?

Depends on what your GM/DM has planned. I am currently in a campaign where I am the only caster as a cleric, and the GM just balances encounters appropriately.

Honestly, if everyone else is going ham in combat, your bard buffs will make them that much more potent.

The cleric archetype Evangelist might also be a better fit if you feel the party needs more raw spell power/buffs in the form of buff spells and not bardic music/oration.

I have seen evangelist but I am not really a fan of the whole religious classes, just a personal preference. If you think that the cleric would be much better though I will give it a looking into

Btw this is for rotrl. It is not a home brew campaign.

Since I am the only spell caster do you recommend I take an archetype that gives me 9th level spells?

Wait maybe I shouldn't play bard though cause I will be the only spell caster in the group?

Not saying I don't. I love playing bards, but I need some inspiration for an up coming character.

So I am wondering why you guys like to play bards.

Thanks!

Also wow!

Martials got a lot of points recently and are starting to near the casters.

Martial. Favorite classes are monk and fighter.

Why yes, I have started to go bald since I've started playing DnD (24btw).

+1 that made me laugh so hard :)

To be fair, a barbarian can literally sunder every creature you just summoned in a single blow and then rage cycle to do it again... though animal companions are harder to argue against because they are crazy broken. The point is there are a few classes so good at combat that in combat casters are not supreme against them. Optimized barbarians definitely being one of them.

ask anzyr if you can see his character arkalion. Any barbarian no matter how optimized will lose. Arkalion is. 20th level wizard by the way.

We are tied 3 to 3

Remember to favorite the one you like more :)

Anyone?

6th level caster

Full caster

Poll is done like before.

I like wizards so I am voting for 9th level.

What about you?

Or something else?

Caedwyr wrote:

Yoshu Uhsoy wrote:

Anzyr I am guessing you are a power gamer?

Actually, I think he's a GM.

Actually I'm a GM, the group's main roleplayer, and one of the group's optimizers. I wear many hats.

So is u fav class oracle or wizard?

Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:

The following is an editorial covering my opinions of the class as a whole crossing multiple editions and in no way reflects any players of said class:

Basically I think theyre stupid as a whole. I dislike bardic music. A jolly sea shanty in combat to give mechanics bonuses? Mechanically it's lovey, but the imagery is super lame.

How about a rousing speech, the deep boom of war drums, or quipping at enemies like Spider Man does to throw them off? Because all those are valid Bardic Performances.

Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:

Artsy Fartsy masterpieces to change the nature of reality and make deities weep? /eyeroll

Well, they're magic. So that helps.

Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:

Rogue BAB without rogue skills or sneak attack progression.

They actually have better skills and, on average do better damage than Bards. Versatile Performance and Bardic Knowledge are very good, and Bardic Performance + Buff Spells make for a better offense per the math.

Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:

In 3.5 I'd just play a rogue. Now I'd just play a ranger.

If you want, but both do very different things than Bard does. Bard's much better at social and knowledge stuff and is a solid caster and super awesome at party buffing, while Ranger does better at the purely physical side of skills and a bit better direct personal combat.

Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:

IMO there are just better ways to go about getting the things in the class that I actually like.

What would those be?

Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:

Then again I'm more of a caster than a martial so that may have something to do with my opinions. Essentially the bard class just isn't fun for me. If someone else likes it more power to them. I however can't see mysef enjoying playing one.

Well, you can do a caster Bard pretty effectively, and much better than a caster Ranger. :)

i get that you like the bard class but that does not mean he has to like it also. It is not for everyone.

Yoshu Uhsoy wrote:

HyperMissingno wrote:

Rebellious Golem wrote:

Bards seems to be the most loved class.

I know it used to have a bad rep.

Anyone know what happened?

Paizo came in and turned the class into something badass.

True true.

I've never been a fan. Can you clarify what the change is that makes it badass now?

didn't play much 3.5 so not to sure, but they did get better survivabity and also their spells changed and their bardic music ability changed.

Edit: may I ask why you do not like bards?

Rebellious Golem wrote:

Bards seems to be the most loved class.

I know it used to have a bad rep.

Anyone know what happened?

Paizo came in and turned the class into something badass.

True true.

Bards seems to be the most loved class.

I know it used to have a bad rep.

Anyone know what happened?

Not really sure. I have always liked the class, I think that people are just starting to realize how cool a bard can be.

I think the main thing that did it for me in regards to casters is that I can play a 6th level caster and still be a fully functional "martial" character. Wanna be a frontliner? Why go fighter when you can go Magus? Why would I NOT want bardic buffs/spell selection? Why go ranger when I can get WAY better spellcasting and a better pet through hunter, without the metal restrictions of druid?

The short answer is, because you don't wanna play those classes. And that's totally fine, but given the chance, I'm not going to turn down access to spellcasting AND being a great weapon-based combatant.

sry I am confused is your favorite class bard, witch or paladin cause I have seen you say those in different threads.

Sort of wish there was a middle option. I adore nearly every 6th level caster and a good chunk of the 4th level casters, but don't really like most full casters or most full martials. With a few exceptions.

Picked caster though.

In the beginning I asked if I should put a middle option but people said no.

Lemmy wrote:

I reached a point where I simply can't play pure martials anymore, at very least, not the ones designed by Paizo... Their lack of options makes the game frustrating and painfully boring. I recently dropped out of a game because I simply couldn't bother to play my (martial) character.

Fighters are the worst of all since once you build the character, the player can be effectivelly replaced by a parrot saying "I full attack" over and over again... But the problem affects all martials to a degree.

This!

yup

So anyone else have anything to say?

Plz remember to also vote

Would you guys recommend playing a bard or a oracle then for my up coming campaign? They both seem interesting with great rp potential.

P.s. I like being effective also

Edit: witch seems really cool too

May I ask what some of the people who are voting casters favorite classes are?

Wow casters is triple Martials.

Wow casters are winning 11 to 5 not really surprised though.

I do agree that Martials can be fun every one in a while but I just love the complexity and versatility of full casters.

So logically my favorite is a wizard but I have been itching to try out a witch. I find clerics also fun.

Right now casters is beating Martials 6 to 3.

Also can you plz post and not just favorite a comment

Thanks!

Does anyone think I should separate full casters and two third casters?

I reached a point where I simply can't play pure martials anymore, at very least, not the ones designed by Paizo... Their lack of options makes the game frustrating and painfully boring. I recently dropped out of a game because I simply couldn't bother to play my (martial) character.

Fighters are the worst of all since once you build the character, the player can be effectivelly replaced by a parrot saying "I full attack" over and over again... But the problem affects all martials to a degree.

I completely agree.

May I ask what your favorite class is then?

Also casters are in the lead right now