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I had a squirrelly looking NPC that game the party a magical that was handed down to him from many generations. It turned out that it was a Box O'Many Squirrels.

-Outside of combat, many squirrels can be coaxed out for 10 minutes at a time (swarm). These squirrels can follow simple tasks, such as; Teach trick: Attack, Come, Defend, Down, Fetch, Guard, Heel, Perform, Seek, Stay, Track, and Work.

-Durring combat one squirrel can be grabbed from the box. Being forcefully removed from the box in this way makes the squirrel jittery and nervous, thus limiting it's time outside the box to 1 round before releasing there physical form.

If Squirrels are coaxed out and realize they are instructed into doing things a squirrel wouldn't normally do (such as jumping off a cliff, or trigger traps), they will release their forms and retreat into their box.


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Nodrog wrote:

The climbing bit is the tricky part. Because horses do not climb as well as say a big horned sheep just due to their size. However big horned sheep and other goats can climb some stupidly steep and difficult terrain without thumbs.

You can find ungulates in pretty much any terrain on earth, including mountains. And while hooves are not as great as thumbs on all four of your limbs; keep in mind any quadruped race with arms and hands has six appendages to climb with.

So it would be more a matter of upper body strength to pull up their full body weight and if there is enough room for them to fit. They could actually reach much higher than a biped if they just stand on their hind legs with their fore legs up against a wall or just a good balance check.

Those are great and logical points. Continuing with that mindset, a centaur wouldn't just have to rely on their upper body on a ladder climb. They could still use their hind legs to support and lift, if they used their legs more than their hooves.

I think using a rope like everyone did in gym class (straight up) would be the hardest for a centaur. Though most other scenarios it could be argued that a centaur would still be able to use their legs to help climb.

I think an Alternative Racial Trait (Mt Goat) would be cool. Giving a climb bonus or even a climb speed on walls/cliffs in replacement of hoof attack and carrying capacity


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Lady-J wrote:
i still think making them like cenarious from world of warcraft would be a huge boon for flavor and just give them a flat boost to natural armor and not bothering with the barkskin in the 1st place that way it doesn't feel lost when playing a character who gets barkskin on their spell list or plans on buying an amulet of natural armor

I didn't have Wow in mind when creating the race, however having antlers would be an interesting Alternate Racial Trait. Or I could make the Alternate Racial Trait be Aspect of the Stag, that'll really make them like Cenarious.

I see what you're saying about barkskin. And again you pointed out another thing I didn't notice (That BS and AoNA are both enchantment bonuses thus do not stack) which is lame. Druids or rangers who opt into BS wouldn't really think of buying an AoNA anyways. At least I wouldn't think so. This way a PC could save up for Slippers of Spiderclimb. So in regards to that, I should probably undo the changes I made to the spell itself.

But that being said, your argument is very convincing and I may just give them the Natural Armor Bonus Racial trait. Though I extremely hate how generic it is...

The Golux wrote:
Definitely some interesting ideas here, though how you handled some of the things like the climb penalty are a little bit clunky to use (I agree they should have some problems climbing in a lot of circumstances, though)

What would you suggest to creating smoother climbing penalties?


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Lady-J wrote:
the bark skin is "op" cuz its not 1/day its at will so its a permanent scaling buff that you can give to the entire party

There's the quality assurance I was looking for! All of the comments make sense now...I completely didn't mean to do that... 'Spell-Like Ability, Greater' & 'Spell-Like Ability, At-Will' are right next to each other on the list I was using. In my head I had always intended on using it as a once per day spell. It also never crossed my mind that you could cast it on someone else. I am extremely bad at proofreading my own work.

Not to beat a dead centaur but, would these changes make it a more appropriate?

1) Change to Spell-Like Ability, Greater
2) Change casting range to: Personal
3) Lower the spell duration to: 1min./level

I could also change it to 'Aspect of the bear' which is similar but doesn't scale and gives more four legged themed bonuses


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Nodrog wrote:

Not feeling the barkskin or blindsense. Neither really make much sense to me even with the race background.

I would go with thick skinned for a small bonus to AC in the form of natural armor and Keen sense hearing for bonus to hearing perception checks.

I would certainly be remiss if I did not take the advice I ask for to heart, so I will make some changes. Maybe I just wanted to make the race unique, and in that process I over compensated and jumped on the racial abilities that no other Paizo race had.

But to quell my neurosis, can someone explain why blindsense and Barkskin are overpowered? Blindsense isn't blindsight, meaning I still need to see things to do anything about what I heard. And granted Barkskin is an enchantment bonus so it can stack with other Natural Armor bonuses, but it has a time limit/1 once per day use. Plus I've grown up with horses, and they are not as thick skinned as you think. Though I guess that could be irreverent since we are talking about a fantasy world. Or is it something different? Does my description of the race not lend itself to these abilities?

I would love to hear why you guys feel they need changing. I'm not being ungrateful I promise. I genuinely appreciate everyone taking the time to read and discuss this idea.


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Jurassic Bard wrote:
Quite brilliant an idea, Eskimo, in fact (believe it or not) I too came up with forest dwelling centaurs - with the same features that you've presented - I guess great minds think alike!

From the great words of Robin Williams, "Great minds think 4 themselves!" We're are just two equally great minds subject to the Multiple Discovery idea!

Sorry I can't help myself in quoting Robin Williams ;p

In any case, thanks a lot Jurassic Bard & everyone else! Let's keep them ideas flowing!


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Hey Everyone!

I'm looking for community input on my first Homebrew Race. I started the idea because a friend of mine wanted to be a centaur in a campaign. Knowing large creatures/PCs are hard to deal with, I opted to make a new race that was more convenient and fleshed out than the normal centaur one.

All constructive criticism encouraged! Also, if you have ideas in regards to Alternate Racial Traits and Favored Class Bonuses I'd love to hear them!

All can be found on this Google Docs link:

Google Doc

I look forward to your thoughts!

Thanks,
TheMightyEskimo