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What is the minium number of "players" you need to play CLAP anyway? I heard that you could do the whole adventure with just a party of two, but it was more fun if you had a larger group. CLAP, from my understanding is an real old adventure path; back in university I heard that half the dorm was trying to beat the CLAP, I don't know how many where sucessfull at beating the CLAP. It must be good I've heard of a few who played it over and over again.
How about a Bard/Paladin that specializes in missile combat. Both class need CHA, so it can multiclass without needing too many stats. The missile focus will keep you out of the front lines and in good position to back up the party with bard abilities and Paladin protection from fear radius.
I have to agree with you! Careful planning means that you know every spell your about to use. A mistake on one spell is excusable, but on every spell wtf? The orginal posters group was happy with results.. so no harm no foul. But I'd make them reread grease, polymorph, and gate.
Ask the Dungeon guys how they did it. In the Shackled City Adventure path, one adventure- Thirteen Cages, I believe, had a imp familiar with wizard levels. Making for a very tough boss monster fight, one of thirteen boss monster fights. This is probably a gray area left up to the DMs judgement. The ordinary forms of most animals for familiars advance by hit dice and not by level, but becoming a familiar changes the stats a bit.
It's way too hot... and its only going to get worse! The glaciers where I live are melting and they will be gone before I'm 50. Every year we seem to have some record breaking unheard of before temperature. I can't help but think... once Canada's weather starts to look like Arizona's, what will Arizona look like? It will look like Dark Sun; start rolling up stats for preservers, because we have way too many defilers.
"What's wrong with being sexy" - Nigel Tufnel Yeah, Turbo Gorilla you tapped this thread right on the spine.
I think it is funny that women's and men's magazines tend to have the same covers. FHM, and other men's magazines feature scantily clad women......Cosmo, and other women's magazines feature scantily clad women. My interprutation is that men are not great to look at. Women are an art form, Humm! this is a truth told well. Damn you.. to all the sky is falling, cheesecake will scare off the women from gaming crowd! Look at a friggin magazine rack, beautiful women sell magazines, all magazines from: Cosmo to Sports Illustrated, to Good Housekeeping, to Maxim, and so on. Once you discount cooking magazines with food on the cover, every womens magazine has a woman on the cover, and that woman just happens to be very good looking. To those that say this is a cheep stunt to sell mags and paizo should be above that, well its paizos job to sell magazines, and the are entitled to do what ever it takes to sell them (within legal boundaries of course). If they didn't make maximum effort to sell as many dungeons as they could, the magazine would by get very expensive as a result of a limited print run. Number 137s cover is nicely done, and ties in well with the content, I see nothing to complain about, I think it's a better cover than some gory melee, or some demon that could ressurect the satanic panic of the 80s.
Wow indeed, I like the cover, not enough to make it a theme for every issue, but its nice now and again. I still can't help but wonder, why every D&D magazine offends! One dragon mag issue had the Minotaur demon whats his name on it and boards are full upset people, a little sex appeal and the boards are full of upset people, a little too boring plain jane fanatasy and the boards are full of up set people... sheessh! You guys will leave the poor Paizo art directors with nothing to work with. To those that b@&!+ 'cause the cover isn't suitable for your kids; your kids have seen 'worse' every day (unless you live in Taliban controlled territory of course)and Dungeon isn't a kids magazine! Dungeon magazine is for those who love D&D and, like it or not, we are a diverse group; from family gamers who run 'PG' family games, to family guys who want an escape from the everyday and breakout the BoVD after the kids are in bed, to the younger male set who need to to be lured away from evil vidiot games who's art layouts have even bigger boobs. So to Paizo, thanks for the cover art, you won't make everyone happy with everycover, but I love that you keep trying!
Dwarf Fighter! seriously! I've made a Dwarven Defender Archer. The basic concept is a machine gun pill box, you pick a spot on the battlefield with good fields of fire use your defensive stance for AC bonus and full attack everyround, and if the bad guys come to you, your high dex, AC bonus and good armour mean your a tough nut to crack. One of the biggest problems with Dwarven Defender is mobility and taking up archery fixes that, its a good marriage that makes a fun character to play.
Oh! Snorter It must have been a mistranslation of english to English ;). I thought you where Mr. Moming it. As for me I my wife just happened to earn more than I did when my son was born so I got to stay home. My son developed Type 1 diabetes at age three, so my stay at home was extended; child care with the extra training to manage my sons disease costs more than I make. Now I work a bit around my son, I groundskeep at a hotel for two to three days a week, but my primary job is looking after the little guy, one needle at a time. Gotta go it's time to go to the park:).
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I went looking for a card for my own father, and it took me about 2 hours to find one that wasn't offensive. Can you imagine buying a Mother's Day card that said "Get out of your stinking pit and make my dinner, you fat, ugly, stupid SLAG!"? Yet that is how we are encouraged to address the men who brought us up, who broke their backs to bring home a wage, to feed us and put a roof over our heads. It took me a long time to appreciate my father; I went through a stupid teenage phase where everything he said was wrong, and I knew best. But now, I see what sacrifices he must have made for me and my brother. He became a parent a lot earlier than I did, and by comparison, I must seem like a total waster.
My fathers day card didn't address me as a total waste, who was totally unworthy of my wife, but hey the day is still young! I'm sure its the least I deserve after 3 years of washing cloth diapers, heck at least I could fix the machine when it broke! Well snorter your the first D&D stay at home Dad I've met, well sort of met, your now on my favorites list in my head. Any guy willing to take levels in house husband deserves the occasional cheering on. 3 cheers for snorter, one for when you meet another bloke and he asks what you do for a living, One for when your the only guy at the playground, One for when there is no baby change table in the mens room, but there is always one in the womens.
Less Cowbell?!?!?!? How the heck is my Minotaur Bard gonna use his perform skill? Answer me that! I gotta have more cowbell baby.
My own little kobolt has been fighting with me over breakfast for over an hour. I went to take a d&d break and found this thread. Happy Fathers Day! especially you other stay at home Dads, yeah all 5 five or so of you guys. Good luck!
Thanks for the info. I very much enjoyed reading Library of last Resort and I cannot wait to play it. I think that it is a well written high level adventure, that allows the Players to use their characters ablities to the fullest; too many high level adventures rely on nerfing spells and ablitites to provide challange.
Now I figure that Darl Quethos is a right evil overlord, and that all of his companions are expendable; and that he is also very smart, and Darl would expend his companions wisely. I figure that he would send his weakest guy to bargain with the titian and minimize his losses if the deal went bad. With this reasoning the minotaur is weaker than the other companions but stronger than Krekie, as she was left out to die first. I know that sinfire brothers are only 15 CR, but they are a "set", and Nalhazzarath is more of a walking ring of wishes than a real companion. Darls band of evil probably has a pecking order and I surmize it's- Darl then Malhazzar, then the Sinfires, the then Dead Minotaur, then Krekie, with the cornugon and cauchemar as more in category of familiars/mounts. What class/level do you think the minotaur is. I began thinking about this as another thread a DM had his party scry and fry Darl and crew on the ship out to the island, and the guys I play with would do the same.
I've been thinking about a family motto, since I've made a family for myself. Something that embodies thrift, hardwork and common sense. I have some favorite quotes I tell my wife and son, but no motto. "He who realizes he has enough is rich"- chinese proverb "Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without"- an old Yankee saying "Don't keep up with the Jones's; they have No f~%$ing idea where they are going"- me Now, out of context I'd sound like I've come from a family of mizers. The truth is I'm trying to think outside the box. When I graduated unemployment in Canada was very high, pay was low, if you could find work, so my wife to be and I made do, and did what we could to get by. Now Western Canada is under going a massive, massive, freaking huge boom, thanks to Oil, and people are going nuts in a rampage of consumerism, at the expense of savings. I decided not to join in on the spending because: this can't last forever, and enviromentally it isn't right. Buying a mamoth gas guzzling truck just because you can isn't right, buying a Mc Mansion costs valuable farmland. Most of the guys my age are out working lots of overtime to pay for their toys while I have time for my family. Time is worth more than money because you can't bank it and spend it later, and everyone gets a limited amount.
Steve Jackson: we could play a spell powered "Car Wars" it would look like Mad Max vs Lord of the Rings. Killing Orcs with a muscle car and .50 cal would be fun for a one off campaign.
Black Maw is a Good fit for AoW. It is a prison with a mine that is corrupt, in other words it perfect for diamond lake!
Hazzah for your players! They combined melee fighters and a well choosen spell to whip one encounter. I wouldn't worry about it, there are lots of ways for the PCs to get beat in AoW so you gotta let'em win easy sometimes.
So the sodden hold hands out another TPK! That adventure is fricken deadly. I'd talk to your players about whether they want to try HoHR again, they may want some payback rather than starting over at Champions Belt.
Aggrrh! That sounds evil. I hope you can continue on with AoW; be sure to add some thieves to your plot line so the Characters can give them a sound thrashing! It won't get your books back, but it will make you feel better.
I don't think "see invisablity" works too well on invisable stalkers! The spell only allows you to see the "outline" of a cloud, something that is still tough to spot.
The Age of Worms is a varied AP and nearly every class could have a go at being the right tool for the right job. That said undead bustin class will fare well, as well as well built fighting types, and wizards(of course). That said, classes that won't do well depends on player skill; in AoW a well built/well run Rogue will outshine a poorly concieved poorly run cleric anyday. Give your noobs the clerics and fighters, leave rest of the classes to your veterans, so long as most charter concepts have some decent fighting skills. Surviving the AoW probably has more to do with party composition than with individual "Class" choice.
Great a GUNs, GERMs, and STEEL adventure path! I can hardly wait to add smallpox infected blankets to my equipment list;). For those that haven't read Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond, you should check it out. Clift notes version= European domanance, was the result of luckly geography and not the result of the "superiority" of the European peoples.
Wow! This thread is great. I've been playing for over 25 years. I started with the red box set around 82, my first adventure was Keep on the Borderlands followed by Palace of the Silver Princess then We moved on the Cult of the reptile God and kept on going. I've played or DMed nearly every old school adventure their was. I never had to pick chits out of a cup except once when I forgot my dice, for a reunion game.
Yeah your right about the culture difference on tips, its not part of the Brit system, but guess what UK hotel/restaurant workers are paid more, way more! Because tipping is an assumed part of the North American hospitality system, waiters wages are tip dependant. It is common that waiters have to pay a percent of the tips to the kitchen and bartenders, based on their nights sales. One night while I worked kitchen some poor bastard waiter had a table with a 400 Cdn$ tab that left no tip, based on his "sale" he had to payout 30 Cdn$ out of his own pocket for the privilage of serving these lovely Brits. Almost every waiter at the Hotel hates the Brit tourists. Since I've left the kitchen to work groundskeeping, my new loathing is for the asians, especially the Koreans; they seem to treat the Canadian Rockies as their own personal ashtrays and garbage dumps, I could easily spend my day following around a Korean bus tour picking up cigarette butts and candy wrappers; it is not uncommon to see these guys walk right past an ash can to flick a cigareete butt into the hedge. The tourist bussiness is always a catch-22 when the tourist don't come your out of work and when they do come, they wreck the place. It could be worse I guess, I could work in housekeeping, I won't even tell you the maid's horror stories.
Wow this one is off, off, off topic. Interesting thought. I don't think that gamers are more likely to travel than anyone else. As someone who lives and works in a tourist town, I've met "ugly" everones: from Brits that don't tip, to Koreans that leave a trail of cigarette butts, to Germans that cut in line at the ski lift. As for the ugly Americans that, depends on circumstance; for a while we booked alot of Americans for weddings, and I noticed two things: first anyone getting married is "ugly" and, second the big city Americans are the the most difficult, pain in ass, weddings to work, always and everytime, I'd rather work 5 Japanese lunch tours, than deal with a bride from New York. On the other hand for every New York bride I've met there a Texan that tips great and is always polite. Now that oil is 70$ plus and 9/11 has poured cold water on international tours, I get to put up with ugly from Canadians. Maybe ugly is more to do with the fact that the ugly people are on vacation, and less than where they are from. So to any of you guys traveling, be nice to that poor bastard in the nametag thats cleaning/cooking/carring bags/sevring/taking reservations because chances are that five+ people have already been mean to him/her that day.
I'd like to see a covey of hags! Sea hags dam it, with merrow (aquatic ogres) and scrags (aquatic trolls), and while your at it get me some muntant seabass with frickin lazers!
Well as I recall, the three final arena battles are attempts by Raknain to kill the PCs. Having the PCs ruin Raknain's plans early on in the games should motivate him to send a few of the encounters the PCs, for revenge, or to limit the damage they have done ie kill them before they tell anyone what they know. Yeah the PCs have Little reason to continue in the arena, but they aren't out of the woods yet.
The meta-game problem is that the PCs that finish the belt early lose out in xp, and miss the oppertunity for some cool fights. To resolve this you could award the xp for the remaining battles anyway, afterall they did find away to beat the adventure ahead of schedual, that is worth a story award. Or you could have an important NPC come to the PCs and plead that they finish the games as planned to avoid causing a panic by revealing the vile plot. Or you could run the encounters out side the arena, Raknain unleashes frogmouth in coenoby to sow confusion and cover his escape, pitchblade comes looking for the PCs because they cheated them the glory of an arena battle, Auric shows up to carryout Raknains final orders. The downside of this approach is that unlike the arena battles the PCs might get too much loot! but they did very well in champs belt and deserve some reward above the normal.
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