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I have a question regarding the Duelist and SwashBuckler. Can one use the Riposte from the Duelist class when they have parried using the Swashbucklers parry?

Correct, yet because Prof still exist it seems to make people think that it is still medium or heavy armor and then put ....limitations on it.

I believe the pricing has to do with how much material you are using, that doesn't help the issue at hand. What is changed by the armor change? What does your ETC mean? Does it count for medium for enchantments?

Are there not 4 different charts for that? I would enjoy a clear answer.

So no general consensus on this issue, each camp firm in their interpretations?

It is worse when one does not think such an interpretation is needed. I would hate for every decision to need GM consent because there is variation of thought.

The ambiguity of rules does allow each GM a certain freedom in how to judge rules which lends flexibility and a more tailored experience. Which I agree can be awesome, I found however, that it hindered my own. When I read the rules on mithril armor I found no issue, in my mind the rule was clear cut and free of other interpretation. I was wrong on that regard, but found my error far too late, I had planned my character out and now cannot do as I planned because what I thought was clear cut was not. Which then presents issue. That means every character has to be vetted through the GM and every purposed plan of action as well, that I think, can become cumbersome for the GM. So a clear consensus of rules is good because it gives the structure of the universe in which we play.

And that very well could be done, and we would see a lot less people buying mithral armor. If that is the case I do not believe the 4k or 9k is worth the value. It would still provide us with clear direction instead of people planning a character out and not being aware of the rules dispute. I think the introduction of the brawler class has prompted this discussion since the brawling enchantment has been around for a while, just no class worthy of it.

Why beware of it? If an answer is not what you thought or want at least it is a definite answer and now no longer bound to the whims of separate GMs. I fear, since the brawling enchantment is the one brought up most of the time that the issue lies in GMs believing the enchantment to be too strong, and thus the combination OP.

There is a FAQ on Elven chainmail where they stat that they wanted it to mean something as a unique item, to what end I am not sure, it just seems like a whole lot of confusion or varying opinion on something that should be simple.

The thing that makes my GM call it medium armor is that it still requires the prof. They bolster their claim by the fact that there is Elven Chain which a bit more blunt about its qualities.

I tend to agree, I do not see the logic in saying it means it is light for everything except enchantments. I would easier follow the logic that it ONLY applies for movement and sleeping and things that armor does to the wearer, although, then that makes the gold cost seem pretty steep.

Most mithral armors are one category lighter than normal for purposes of movement and other limitations. Heavy armors are treated as medium, and medium armors are treated as light, but light armors are still treated as light.

It does not say limitation of the armor specifically, just other limitations. It goes on to say treat armors as one class lower, except light remains light.

Elven Chain says "in all ways treat as light EVEN proficiency." It is called out specifically and most people cite this as the reason why a mithril breastplate remains medium, even though it weighs less and is less cumbersome via ACP value.

So, with specific regard to medium armors they are treated as light for movement and other limitations, and the Elven chain is treat in all ways, but still doesn't just say, Elven chain is light armor, which confuses me.

If it were that clear cut, Mark would agree, but he does not.

This has spurred debates at my table as well, what is said is "because you need the proficiency in the armor class, medium is still "medium " armor. Other limitations to them means speed and sleeping. When I first read mithril I thought it did count as one step lighter for all intents and purposes, but in my group I was accused of word smithing to make it work to my advantage. I didn't see the rule as a grey area, but it appears that it is, if we could get this FAQ, even if not in the way I see it, it would be very helpful. Clarification should never be seen as a bad thing.

So what is the consensus on what "other limitations" means with regards to Mithral?

I am just curious what this means in regards to class features, enchantments and other things that require a certain armor type. Thanks.