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Cuup wrote:Look, I don't know about you but I'm not in the habit of getting rid of extremely expensive personal possession.
Say the group's archer is hit with Dominate Person. The Wizard issues the command "throw your bow overboard". On the next round, the Wizard sets a new command "go swim after it".
Does the first command count as "against the archer's nature"? I would think that if the bow had major rp-attachment with the archer, like it was his father's, or it was gifted to him by his hero, this argument could be made, but as long as it was just a bow (magical or otherwise) that he bought last week, he wouldn't get a new save to resist the order.
I'm not in the habit of running out of the building naked, either. But if the building were on fire, I'd sure as hell do it. So it's not against my nature.
Similarly, if the building were on fire, would you leave your bow behind, or die trying to retrieve it from the wreckage?
I think several of you in this thread who are saying destroying incredibly valuable items isn't against the nature of most people are not the kind of people I've familiar with. So let me ask you this? Will you give me your car? Or go set it on fire?
Depends on whether I'm compelled to or not, now, doesn't it?
"Claxon, I have here a court order demanding that you give Orfamay Quest your car. Will you give me the keys, please?"
"No, I won't."
"You realize, Claxon, that this is a court order. If you don't turn over the car, I will have to arrest you."
"I won't turn over the car."
"Very well, then."....
---- two hours later ----
"Counsellor, have you made it clear to Claxon that unless the car is turned over, he or she will be in contempt of court and jailed?"
"I have, your honor. Claxon still refuses to turn over the car."
---- two weeks later ----
"Counsellor, your client has now been imprisoned for two weeks. Is Claxon willing to turn over the car?"
"I'm afraid not, your honor."
---- two years later ----
"I'm sorry, your honor, but Claxon is still unwilling to turn over the car."
---- ten years later ----
"I'm sorry, your honor. As you know, my predecessor retired six months ago, and it's taken me some time to get up to speed on this case. I regret to tell you that Claxon still refuses to turn over the car, though. I submit that that, as in the Chadwick case, continued incarceration will do no good, and request release."
"Thank you, your honor."
The Chadwick case is interesting; I think it's believed to be the longest imprisonment for contempt of court in the history of the United States. Most people won't hold out nearly that long.
If you're not willing to hold out that long, you shouldn't get a save. "Don't want to" is entirely different than "against my nature."