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I'm doing the same thing, and I basically just rip images from pinterest of cool looking gear. As long as it's for personal use, you won't have any problems.

I for one love the simplicity of the NPC creation rules. I can make whatever NPC/creature I want with very little prep time, and I can make simple mooks on the fly, without breaking the flow of the game. That is a huge plus for me, rather than having to design my plots around the limited selection of baddies in the Alien Archive, or having to wait for a proper bestiary.
So simple NPC rules is a huge plus in my book.

That being said, I agree that the disparity in PC/NPC To-hit/AC is terrible for the exact same reason that Wrath wrote.
We've been playing some D&D 5e, and while most of the players disliked it (because a: it wasn't as crunchy as Pathfinder, and b: The skill system is just too simplified), the general balance between PCs and NPCs works really well. Because NPCs are created by the same (simple) rules as PCs.

I firmly believe that Paizo could just as easily have created as simple an NPC creation system as what we got in AA, but using player progression as a guideline. Heck, I did it in a single afternoon, in order to balance things out, because all my players and I share Wrath's experience and sentiment.

I just think that Paizo's design goal is a bit too far off from what players want/expect. And how the balance feels during play. I think their goal sounds reasonable on paper, but in practice, it leads to the players not caring about armor, and spending all their money on maxing damage output and healing. (Which led to our mystic feeling useless, but I've written about that in another thread).

Thanks for all the feedback.
I've been talking with my mystic player, and while he understands the points you've given about how a healer is supposed to work within the rules, he still feels (as do I) that if the game doesn't support a primary healer, then why do they a) include it as a main feature for a class, and b) don't explain that feature better, as to how that role fits within the overall mechanics of the game.
My player took the priest mystic with healing connection because he wants to be a healer. He doesn't want to be a buff/debuff off-tank combat medic. He wants to be a healer.
And since I don't want to tell anyone that their character concept is useless, I'd much rather fix it, so it works.
So we've decided on the following house rule (feedback appreciated):

When characters take damage, they can decide wether or not to take it as stamina or hp, or a combination. That way, the healer will be able to apply healing sooner, and it won't mess with the resolve point economy.
An additional effect, is that non-lethaldamage only applies to stamina, and when you drop to 0 stamina, you are out cold or winded enough to be unable to fight, until you make a fort save, which restores 1d4 stamina.

(For those who know Fate Core, it's basically like deciding to take stress or consequences).

Just realised that post might be interpreted at bad-wrong-fun, which totally isn't my intention. So I'll just head myself off and clarify. :)

What we do, is once the grenade goes off, and you make a reflex save, you are free to move out of the smoke/danger on your turn (or act as normal). As the reflex save means - to us - you are quick to react, and can dodge/move out of the way. The grenade does not affect you this turn. However, if you are dumb enough to stay in the smoke, or unable to leave the area, because it's too big, you suffer conditions as normal next turn. Meaning you start by making a fort save because you start chocking.

So I guess in rules-speak, it would mean: On a succesful save, you are unaffected for your next turn. Any turn following, counts as if you had just entered the area, and suffer effects as normal.

Guess I've always been too good on my players then. I've always used reflex saves as "throw yourself out of harm's way". We're used to a theater of the mind approach. So making a reflex save -to us - means using your reflexes to throw yourself away from danger, and not just stay put. It's one of those "we're roleplaying, not board-gaming things" where mechanics that say they do one thing, but actually don't, are trumped by narrative description.
We're using minis for starfinder, but I make allowances baeed on what makes sense in the descriptive events. It's a preference thing. :)

My players haven't had too many problems. They usually succeed at the initial reflex save at dc 10-14 to avoid the smoke altogether. And even if they don't, they usually make the fort save in 1-2 rounds, unless one of their party members pull them out of it or activate their suit seal.

They get to save each round, so eventually they should make it. Smoke grenades are awesome, and the save is relatively easy. So I don't see a need to change them.
My players have discovered the joys and wonders of smoke grenades and sticky bombs. They even managed to shut down a minor boss fight with a single sticky bomb. It was awesome.

Let him heal stamina looks like it would resolve your issues possibly.

That's the house rule we've been thinking about. But I'm worried that doing so messes with the whole resolve point/stamina/hp and encounter balance issue. At first glance, it should be fine, but I'm not math savvy enough to discern any unintended complications.

...And just realized this should probably have been posted under either rules or advice, but darn Space Goblins must have messed with my clicky-pointy-computer-thing.

I need some advice guys.
I have a mystic healer in my party who is having the worst time playing. He basically feels completely superflous and useless, and I really can't find any way to fix it.

So what seems to be the problem?
He's a Priest themed mystic healer, and basically wants to serve as the party healer as we know them from other games, so he took the healing connection. They are currently level 2, so any advice about high level play and what feats to take on level 7 etc. is not going to help. This guy needs help NOW.

Basically he feels that his healing is useless, as he has to wait for everyone to drop below stamina, and even then, they have to drop to almost dead before his healing has any worthwhile effect (paying a resolve point to heal 1-2 hp is not a good deal). And even then, he can only heal them to "half" health. We know and understand how stamina works, and that it's basically a way to not require healers in the party. But it feels like that design decision made the healer redundant.

He currently has 3 spells per day (one of them a heal) so any sort of magic dependence is weak at best. 2 rounds of combat casting spells, and he's out for the day, while the others keep on trucking.

He has a laser pistol and no interest in diving into combat feats to boost his weapons going forward. He want's to be a healer. Not a fighter who is a backup combat medic.

So he has almost no combat ability, and no spells. Healing - his main focus - requires him to wait for most of the combat before everyone is through their stamina before he can do anything, and even then, he needs to wait for them to almost die, and can only heal them to half power. And it only got worse when they leveled from 1 to 2. As now they have twice the amount of stamina, so now he needs to wait even longer before his healing is required.

How do I help this player? He really likes the game, but is darn near to quitting, and just make another character. And I don't think anyone should be forced to make a new character because the character they want to play - as presented in the rules - is useless.

So.. What are we missing? How do we make him the best healer in the galaxy?

We have some house rule ideas, but I'd like to use that as a last resort, so I won't present them here unless we hit a dead end.

Thanks

Honestly there is no balance issue here at all. Math doesn't lie - once you take into account only getting half specialization damage, the inability to combine trick attack with a full attack, and (at low levels especially) the chance that it simply won't succeed, it simply is not true that operatives average out to doing more damage than the "combat classes". To be clear, this is not something that anyone is allowed to have an opinion on, anymore than anyone is allowed to have an opinion on whether or not 4 is larger than 5. I don't care how annoyed you are that 4 doesn't have to role-play to your liking - it's still a smaller number than 5.

I see your points, and while I agree (as I said, I don't care what the ruling is, I just want an official ruling other than Mark's comment) that we don't get to have an opinion about it, is a bad attitude as far as I'm concerned.

Let's run by the situation at my table coupled with the math that doesn't lie.

We've got a Solarian with solar weapon, a mystic, a sharpshooter soldier and a ghost operative.

First combat the Solarian charges into melee and deals 1d6+3 (Str) damage. As he isn't a dex build and has light armor, he proceeds to take two hits from an npc with full attack. It dropped him to just below stamina.
The mystic couldn't heal him, as he had only taken 1 hp damage. So the mystic stays in cover.
The soldier didn't want to full attack, as -4/-4 is almost his entire to hit bonus, and in his mind, a +1 or +0 to hit equals "not gonna hit". So he takes a single shot, dealing 1d8 damage.
The operative takes a trick attack action, moving into melee. His Stealth bonus is +15 (1 rank + 3 class + 4 dex + 3 skill focus + 4 ghost). Hitting a CR ½ is DC 20. Meaning he succeeds on a 5+. He then gets an opponent with KAC 10 (-2 for being flat-footed), and with a +4 (dex) to hit, he hits on a 6+, dealing 2d4+2 damage (STR 14). And he doesn't get hit in return due to his high dex and armor.

Next round, the solarian doesn't want to full attack for the same reasons as the soldier. He doesn't want to risk missing twice rather than hit once, so he strikes again and misses. (Bad rolls happen).
But then he takes another two hits of full attack and drops to 0 hp. The mystic runs up and stabilizes him. The soldier misses again, and the operative keeps trick attacking with stealth in melee, hitting and dealing damage consistently. And not taking anything in return.

This has led to every fight going like this.
Mystic hides, and complains that as a healer, he can do nothing to keep the party in the fight.
The solarian hides until he is fully attuned, then proceeds to run out and explode.
The soldier takes pot shots from cover.
And the ghost operative consistently kills everything in melee with trick attack, without getting too many scratches.

No one is having fun, except the operative.
And everyone is complaining about why can the operative be so competent in combat, when the others can barely get a shot in without dying?
Which led to the question...from the players, I might add... "Can he even stealth when engaged in melee? Shouldn't he use bluff or something, so he doesn't necessarily hit every round? Or is Trick attack just an automatic crit damage every turn? In that case, I want to make one too, since I'm only hitting around 50% of the time, and he is dealing double his damage every turn almost automatically?!?"

My answer to them was... Let me hit the forums to get some clarification. And what I've gotten so far is: The operative is right, the other players can't have any fun and We're all wrong for thinking that way. Which really isn't productive.

If the operative was forced due to circumstance to change tactics, applying different skills for different situations (which he is really good at with his 10+ skill ranks per level) and that is the factor that keeps him from almost auto succeeding in dealing damage every turn, then that would be the balancing factor. So no... It's not just about roleplaying. It's about understanding how we balance things between classes. And if one of the thing that causes imbalance is based on a "just because" reasoning, then that is all the more baffling. Because why can't the soldier hit reliably "just because"? Why can't the mystic heal stamina "just because"? Why can't the solarian both have a solar weapon and armor "just beacuse"?
So I don't care if it's just an extra d4 damage. If you get to deal damage every turn, and almost not taking any damage due to high AC from the same stat that allows you to deal damage every turn, while other classes deal damage around 50% of the time. That all adds up.

If math doesn't lie, then it should be reliable. But it isn't. I don't care if operatives get to trick attack each round. However, I do care that they get to deal reliable damage each round, when no other class can. Having a bigger damage die is worthless if you don't hit. Have a smaller damage die is powerful, if you deal damage each round.

If there is an official ruling/errata, I'd love to see it. It's not like I desperately want to be right. But without any official clarification, I'm just trying to argue what I think makes the most sense for the exact reasons baggageboy stated.
Starfinder is an awesome game, but it seems half baked in execution, and desperately needs an errata/clarifications. I really just want to sit down and play this awesome game. But there are so many issues (trick attack being one of the major sinners) that causes way too much trouble and balancing issues at the table.

That's what I mean by breaking the 'reason' of the game. Everything in the game is possible because there is an in-world explanation. The solarians can make star-lightsabers because they are in tune with the cosmic powers, and carry around a mini sun. Everything follows a reason as to why things are possible. Except trick attack... it's just mechanics. How can an operative stand locked in melee combat, blades crossed and suddenly just stealth? Doesn't matter. The mechanics say he can.
So if we have no in game explanation as to how they do it, there is no reason not to always take the mechanically optimal path. Thus making the addition of multiple skill options redundant.

That makes so much sense, and actually kinda proves my point.
Terrain attack sets up a certain situational conditions that must be met for a certain type of skill check (bluff) to auto succeed for trick attack.
If situational conditions did not limit the skill check for trick attack, then why give an ability that suddenly allows for it to auto succeed in certain conditions? It's kinda the same thing with cloaking field. Why grant a hide in plain sight ability to something that wouldn't need it?
It breaks the 'reason' of the game. If conditions don't apply, why grant abilities that expand on those conditions?
Why wouldn't Terrain Attack simply be; "You auto succeed with Trick Attack"?

And you add another conundrum... If the daredevil gets to add acrobatics as a trick attack skill, and everything else is for fluff flavor... why grant them an ability that auto succeeds with bluff? It's like saying, hey all that training you put into trick attacking with acrobatics? Nevermind, npw you can auto succeed with 1 rank in bluff, so why bother with acrobatics anymore?

First off, my apologies for reviving this thread. But since there still is no official errata from Paizo, this remains an issue (among a whole host of other things). So much so, that our Ghost Operative is dominating combat to the point where it is less fun for everyone.

Second, this turned out to be a long post, so here's the TL;DR:
- We need to apply reason. Does allowing trick attack without conditions applying break reason? Yes.

And now on to your regularly scheduled post...

I'm not sure I follow your post, Losobal. There is something conceptually about your post, that I just can't wrap my brain around (english isn't my native language). So I can't quite figure out if you are arguing against or for. But let me try to reply as best I can.

So...using a Daredevil example again/question.

If you have 2 level 11 Daredevils, and both are flying, both have pistols does that mean that essentially they murder each other in a few rounds?

1) Comparing 2 PC level daredevils is a moot point, as the game just wasn't designed that way. Nothing appears in a vacuum. So unless you run PC vs PC arena games, it's really not a helpful example.

2) You use level 11 characters as an example. And most of the examples I see around the forums are usually based on level 10+ characters. Since most campaigns are usually from level 1-13'ish, the arguments made are really not doing anything to adress the problems where they arise: namely level 1-7. Who cares if the Operative falls behind the soldier and solarian at level 13? The campaign is over by then. And the entire time, the solarian and soldier are considering killing their character and make a ghost operative.
Besides, at level 5, the ghost oeprative can hide in plain sight, so even with the 'conditions of skill checks applying' the ghost will be able to negate that with his cloaking field from level 5.

So two guys with 'auto bluff succeed' since both are flying, does that equal the first guy does base dmg + 11 + trick dmg to guy #2, who next action does base dmg + 11 + trick dmg to guy #1, because neither can resist the automatic bluff, and the fact they are immune to being flat-footed doesn't seem to prevent trick dmg from working in the first place(...)

Uhmm...What?

So in this case the only real option would be one or both have to stop flying, thus removing the auto-bluff success and then forcing a conventional trick attack (with rolled skill rather than auto success)?

Assuming the debilitating trick doesn't keep the guy going 2nd from acting to do their own trick attack?

3) My original post about stickybombs and daredevils still stand (but could probably do with some elaboration). Shoot him with a stickybomb (or anything else that causes entangle) and he'll drop like a rock (due to how flying and move actions work). IF the 'conditions of skill checks apply'.

4) You specifically chose flying daredevils using bluff. Why? The Daredevil would most likely use acrobatics, the ghost use stealth etc. The argument being made is not about flying bluff'ers, but wether or not conditions can prevent the use of certain skills when trick attacking.

Some really good points have already been made in this thread.

a) If operatives can use their specialization skill all the time, no conditions. Then why explicitly add several skills to trick attack, rather than write "make a trick attack check with your specialization skill"? And the "it's for fluff" argument doesn't hold up. No where in the rules are there any other explicit rules that do not have some sort of mechanical effect. That's why they are rules, and not just fluff descriptions.

b) If all operatives can use their specialization skill all the time, no conditions. Then why oh why would you ever play a Hacker, which is the only one who does have conditions, and thus can be shut down by circumstance?

As humans we expect the world to behave in a certain way. That way we can learn how things behave, and develop reason, which can help us make choices and take actions based on how we expect the world to behave. The same goes for roleplaying games. We expect the world to behave in a certain way, and with reason. This reason is modelled after our own experiences in real life, when applied to imaginary game worlds. If the imaginary game world breaks what we expect from reason, it should be called out and explained. We do this with magic. We accept that magic exists in the game world. There are rules and explanations for it, which in term help us deal with magic based on reason.
The same applies to skills. If the trick attack is an ability that works regardless of the choice of skill used, it lacks an explanation as to how that works. Otherwise it breaks the 'reason' of the game.
The rules for stealth are based on real world reason about needing to make something disappear and how perception works. If trick attack breaks that reason, it needs to explain why, for us to suspend disbelief.
If the trick attack entry had said that operatives have special light bending supernatural powers (ie. magic) that allowed them to stealth while engaged in close combat, then I would totally buy it. It gives reason. But since the cloaking field does just that, how are we then to explain how all other operatives without claoking field manage to do it?
It breaks reason. And if one thing is allowed to break reason, then it's a steep rabbit hole of why shouldn't every class/race and goblin's grandma be allowed to break reason? There's a precedent for it with trick attack, so unless the rules state something definitively, go right ahead and break reason all you want, and we can throw the rules out the window. Everyone will start looking for all the loop holes, and argue that it can be done. GM discretion be damned, cause trick attack is the rules precedent for breaking reason.

We ran a cross desert vehicle chase in our first session (to get a feel for the rules), and thought the rules were a big let down.
Basically the party were on a hover skiff while being chased by 4 hoverbikes. What should gave been an awesome action packed chase became a 2 turn let down.
All because of the Speed Up action.
Badically the players used speed up two turns in a row, leaving the first 3 bikes in the dust on turn one, and the second one on turn two.
Why would you ever do anything other than take the speed up action?
Chances are we totally didn't get the vehicle chase rules, but based on our experience, we probably won't use chases. Which I think is a terrible shame. Cause vehicle chases are awesome.

So I can totally understand why you think Keep up is a bit useless.
If the PC with the highest Piloting skill jumps into the driver's seat, you can pretty much outrun most NPCs with the Speed up action.
Or is the chase system only designed for PCs chasing down NPCs?

Coming from D&D and their short rest/long rest, I consider the 10 minute break as any short moment of safety where the PCs can catch their breath and discuss how to proceed.
It's a standard trope of many tv and movie fictions as well. Usually accompanied by the comment "we should be safe here for a moment".
The same goes for long rests/ 8 hour rest. It requires safety. Standing in the middle of a dungeon/evil lair or whatever, is not a place where you can get a good night's rest.

My favorite ways to get my players over losing SP include comparing Stamina Points as "shield points" for their real HP. Players savvy to that mechanic from a bajillion other games don't sweat it so much of they're not "at full health". Also, explain that your SP is more like how tough you FEEL. Would you go to the ER if you feel run down? No, you go there so they can address damage to your bodily health (hp). You call up your buddy, the Envoy to psych you up when you feel down! Now your feeling like your old self again, and while you're at it, GET EM!! :)

That's actually a good perspective. I think that will jive with my players.

And the Daredevil is the only one that can use Acrobatics for its Trick Attack and it has no specific call out or restrictions.

The Hacker Specialization is unique in that it has a restriction on it. There’s a “general restriction” on the Computer skill of... needing to have a computer. But the Hacker Specialization is the only one that calls out that restriction. The vanilla Operative doesn’t. The Daredevil doesn’t.

If situational restrictions to skills apply, the daredevil is actually quite easy to shut down. Stickybombs.

And while the hacker is the only specialization that explicitly calls out a restriction, why would you ever play a hacker? The Ghost gets a +4 and would always be allowed to use stealth, making him almost auto succed from level 1 (so why even require a skill check?), while the hacker is easy to shut down?

As I see trick attack, stealth is for operatives that want to duck and weave behind cover and make ranged trick attacks with small arms. It kinda defeats the idea of a ghost to wail away at opponents in melee. That's the daredevil's approach. Rushing in and doing some matrix style parkour combat.

Resolve returns SP but has more critical uses. HP can be replenished in a lot of ways, many of which are cheap. This cheapens HP and makes SP more "valuable" from a resource perspective.

I agree, and that was sort of the sentiment that my players expressed. They would much rather have SP be something that could go up and down during combat due to heals and whatever. But once they dug into HP, it would hurt a bit more in the long run, and be a measure of the number of encounters they could tolerate in a day's work.

But alas, maybe it's just a matter of gett8ng used to the system. But yeah, we didn't get the feel of SP and HP that they describe in the rules. In was more the other way around.

We've just had our first session, and one of the major feedback points was damage and healing. My players had some of the same fears based on the argument that there was little to no combat healing.
The mystic in the party basically had to wait until everyone was near death before he could heal with any effectiveness. And even then he could only heal them to half strength, as mystic cure doesn't heal stamina.
Coming from Pathfinder, the mystic's argument was: "I can't heal before they are under half hp, and I can only heal them up to half hp." (As they regard stamina + hp as total hp from a pathfinder perspective.
The result was pretty much that no one took fulll attack actions, as tney didn't think they could afford to miss any attacks, and thus risk taking damage without dealing any back.
For a party that usually solves all problems in any game with liberal amounts of violence, regardless of the game system, they sure were very conservative, and spent way more rounds in total cover than they did attacking.

I'd say it depends on the situation. Remote controlling another ship during a space combat encounter? No.
Remote controlling a small shuttle on a planet to use as a getaway? Sure.
It's almost a stsndard trope of sci fi movies to hack and remotely pilot a small shuttle to get the heroes out of a tight spot. And I'd just run that as a skill challenge.
The hacker accesses the BBEG's systems, to hijack a shuttle and bring it to 206th floor. All the while the rest of the party are having a shootout with the generic BBEG storm troopers. Can he do it before they are overrun? Can they blow out the window and jump to the shuttle and escspe with the secret plans? Sounds like a cool encounter, and I'd allow it.

I'm working on a d100 table for random encounters to throw in once in a while during our upcoming campaign. These are some of my ideas so far:

1) Drift wraiths.
The undead spirits of hapless creatures sucked into the drift as a result of ships jumping through the drift, assault the PC's ship.

2) Derelict.
The PCs come across a massive lifeless spaceship, drifting powerless through the drift. What potential secrets does the derelict hold of its horrible fate?

3) Fire storms.
The PCs pass through the wild and uncontrollable remnants of a shattered piece of the Fire Plane, that was drawn into the drift. Can they navigate the fire storms safely.

4) Lost city.
A broken piece of some planet contains a domed city with a marooned population. Can the PCs help save the people of the lost city, or does the domed city contain some dark secret?

5) Drift raiders.
A group of pirates have made a base on a large piece of drifting planetoid debris within the drift. From there they launch raids on innocent drift teavellers.

6) Drive malfunction.
A sudden burst of strange energy rips through the ship, overloading systems, and disabling the drift drive, tearing the ship from the drift. The PCs are now stranded somewhere in unknown space without a drift drive. Where are they, and what is that strange planet off the starboard window?

I have attempted multiple times unsuccessfully to order a copy of the PDF version of the PF2 Core Rulebook. When I click "place order" nothing happens and I get no confirmation. Also the product is still in my shopping cart. The debit for the product shows up on my bank account where it lingers for a few days until it eventually drops off because the sale did not go through. I'm not sure what could be going wrong and potentially I may be making an error and not realizing it. Any help that you could provide in resolving the issue would be most appreciated.

Thank you,

Hello all. I have been playing this game and its famous predecessor for over twenty years now and there is a theme that comes up periodically for my players. How realistic do we want to get?

Typically the concept gets tabled because any standard practice of adding levels of realism to the game typically ends up in creating additional rules to a system that is already rules heavy. That being said there are a couple of things that pop into my head as a game master that I would prefer not to ignore if I can find a reasonable way of managing them.

1 - Spell component pouches. These handy little items can be found in most spell casters' inventories. They cost 5 gold pieces and once acquired that particular spell caster is set for life assuming they aren't robbed blind, dipped in lava, or otherwise left bereft of all of their earthly belongings.

Part of me has always thought about applying some kind of rule in the vein of 1 spell component pouch = x castings of spells. The problem is that not all spells require material spell components and tracking could become cumbersome.

Another idea that I had is that spell component pouches have an expiration date, and after a certain amount of time has passed that fresh components would need to be acquired.

2 - Gear wear and tear. This is similar thematically to the spell component pouch situation but with a twist. Adventurers are out in some of the most dangerous places in the world fighting hard and putting their gear through just as much stress as they are putting their bodies' through. How frequently should I as a game master make the players aware that their gear is not invincible?

A big portion of this question applies to weapons and armor which of course take the largest brunt of the characters' punishment. Do I make the player roll saves on all of his gear whenever they are victim of an area of effect saving throw? How about potential of a weapon breaking from repeated use? Should their armor take damage whenever the character takes enough damage to bypass the hardness of the armor?

The same questions could be applied to clothing, backpacks or other containers, as well as some other gear.

What do you guys think? Is there anything you do in your games to handle the types of situations I've mentioned above, or am I just putting too much thought into this little game of fantastical heroes, magic, and monsters?

Hello everyone.

I'm in the middle of constructing a two-weapon fighting combat style Ranger who employs a shield the majority of the time.

The character is 6th level, with a Strength of 16 (25 point build), and currently has the Improved Shield Bash, Two-Weapon Fighting, Shield Focus, Dodge, and Improved Two-Weapon Fighting feats.

The character is currently armed with a Heavy Pick and a +1 bashing light wooden shield. Here's where my question begins.

From the reading of the Bashing shield special ability, "...The shield acts as a +1 weapon when used to bash...". Does this break the normal rule of the enhancement bonus applied to a shield for armor class must be purchased separately from the enhancement bonus applied to a shield for attack and damage? I feel that it does as the description does not say that the weapon acts as a magical weapon. It specifically states "as a +1 weapon". Also the Bashing quality does not state that it provides all of your enhancement bonus to your shield bash so theoretically if I had a +5 Bashing shield but did not buy a separate enhancement bonus for attack and damage then the shield would still only act as a +1 weapon when used to bash. I could be off but that's why I'm here. Any advice is greatly appreciated!

Also would the upgraded shield bash damage from the Bashing special ability and the increased shield bash damage from adding shield spikes stack with each other? Currently the shield does not have spikes, but I wonder if I should change that or not?

Good afternoon gamers!

I am currently playing in a Rappan Athuk game. One character has already fallen to the super dungeon and I'm on my second. Seeing on how this place is a grinder for PC's I thought it would be a good idea to start building my next replacement character should the worst befall my current character.

With that being said I have a couple of questions about the character concept I'm currently building. The character is a Tiefling Cavalier in the Order of the Seal. This reference, this order is called to protect a specific object, a place, or a secret. In this case the place he has been ordered to protect is Rappan Athuk itself, or in actuality he has been ordered to find a team to go into Rappan Athuk, discover what source of evil is drawing all of the little baddies to it and destroy that source. Failing that he has been ordered to find a way to seal the dungeon so it can no longer be a threat to anyone. Basically these are some really impossible goals, but as he is a Tiefling and perhaps not as trusted as other members of his order it gives me a good reason to send another character to this death trap. Now that we have the backstory out of the way here are my questions:

1) Are there any rules that I can be pointed to that describe the dangers of using firearms underground? There may not be, but I just figured I would ask, I imagine a lot of this is going to be common sense type stuff (how sound travels underground, loud noises causing cave ins, and those sorts of things).

2) Can the "Gifted Firearm" ever be upgraded. I can't seem to find any reference to if it is possible or what would be required. I could just elect to pay the masterwork weapon price and then later the price for enchantment, but I'd like to be sure I was doing it within the rules. Alternatively I could have the Gunsmithing feat apply to the character the same way it applies to a Gunslinger which more or less seems to the first option, but it makes no mention of anyone being able to do that other than a pure Gunslinger. It may be possible that the "Gifted Firearm" can not be upgraded but I was just curious.

3) Are there any feats that allow you to take additional Gunslinger Deeds? I know that Amateur Gunslinger allows you to take one 1st level Deed, but I was unsure if there were any feats that allowed you to expand this feature for the Luring Cavalier/Musketeer. Once again the option may not be out there. The main reason I am asking on this one is to determine if Extra Grit would be worthwhile.

4) What feats would you recommend? Just the ranged combat feats (kind of a no-brainer), but are there any other feats that you would recommend that lie outside of the Point Blank Shot tree?

Disclaimer: I've read a few earlier threads that answered some of these questions but not all of them, and I do know that it seems a bit more cost effective to multiclass Cavalier and Gunslinger, but I would like to see what could be made without multi-classing if possible. Thanks in advance for your help!

**Disclaimer: the following are observations based off of the information available to me at the time. It is not meant to suggest anything about any of the contestants, their entries, or the judges. It is simply a bit of boredom induced fun, while looking at the Round 2 threads.**

Hello gang!

I was just sitting around with a little time on my hands, reading through the Round 2 posts, when a thought entered in my head. "If the judges opinions were the only ones that counted, who would be going to Round 3?" So, finding myself in between things to do I decided to crunch a few numbers. I assigned each judges declarations of "I do", "I don't", and "Meh" with a numerical value. "I do" = 2, "Meh" = 1, and "I don't" = 0.

Here's what I came up with:

First, if it were totally up to the judges, this is who our Round 2 winners would be: Awakened, Everbloom Monk, Floodwalker, Forecaster, Gralton Infiltrator, Green Knight, Huckster, Outsea Delver, Red Adder Magus, Riverhelm, River Wrangler, Skinchanger, Uringen Assayer, Wandering Judge, Water-Born Votary, and Water Snake.

Secondly, I constructed a breakdown of which classes got the most judge-love during this round:

Turns out the Magus gets the most love with a 100% recommendation across the board. Of course, that's sort of easyish since there was only one Magus to vote on. 2nd place goes to the alchemist, who received 88% judge-love between 5 entries.

On the other hand, the Druid and the fighter are tied for the least amount of judge-love as they received 0% recommendations and not even a single "Meh". Sorry guys!

Finally, I did a little stats in facts on our judges:

SKR is a hard man to impress (and rightfully so). He only recommended approximately 41 % of the contestants to Round 3. Although it is important to note, that he always had a firm yes or no stance in the judging. His fence is pristine, unsmudged, and I imagine, frequently dusted.

Clark was a little more generous recommending exactly 50 % of the contestants into Round 3, and his fence is slightly used, although I imagine it's still looking pretty good.

Wolfgang recommended 28% of the contestants into Round 3, and at first glance it would seem as if he might be a tougher judge than SKR, however, that is not the case. Wolfgang prefers to hang back and let the voters sort it out, and so his "Meh" pile totalled up to around 38%.

Well, all, that's it for the stats and facts, and of course I use those terms loosely, as I an not a professional statistician or any other word that seems wierder when you type it than when you say it.

A good day to all, and wishes of good luck to all of the Top 32. Not all of you will be going to Round 3, but you're all awesome gamers, of which I am proud to be an electronically based acquaintance thereof.

Cheers!

I've been lurking around on the boards and reading all of the "monk-hate", and have been noticing that one of the things that people wish was different about the monk is the whole not being able to move and flurry business. This makes sense, and I know I've seen more than my share of "kick-flicks" that feature some martial artist clearing a room in a matter of seconds by zipping from one place to another swinging and kicking and whatnot until all of the bad guys are drooling on the floor.

Various people have also mentioned that this could be balanced by allowing the Ki Pool give your monk a Pounce like ability, which seems like a good way to balance it.

So here's what I've come up with, Ki Barrage: By spending __ amount of Ki from your Ki Pool you can move up to half of your move action and flurry as a standard action.

This doesn't seem overpowered to me being as by the time you get Ki Pool you are moving 40 ft which would get knocked down to 20 ft for the use of this ability, and at level 20 (assuming your character goes that far) your looking at 45 feet of movement with a flurry (also assuming you don't have anything that allows you to increase your speed further like the Fleet feat).

So what do you think? Sucks/Doesn't Sucks? How much Ki would make this mechanically sound for the class? Would it be possible to use this for a Dervish like hit-move-hit-move tactic in addition to a pounce tactic?

Not sure if I'll end up playing this one or not, but I think I'd like to so I'm going to go ahead and ask for some advice on this build.

Disclaimer: I'm not particularly looking for an uber optimized character. I am looking for something that will be fun with lots of personality.

Basically I have something along the lines of Mandrake, the Magician (Yup, that cheesey old Defenders of the Earth cartoon) for this character concept. The well dressed magician that looks like he just walked off of a Vegas stage, and uses his various tricks/magic/what-have-you to solve mysteries and beat the bad guys.

My starting point is to run with a Human Bard with the Magician archetype and possibly even the Soundstriker archetype since the two are stackable, but these things are by no means mandatory.

I figure I will probably take on the Dilletante feat to make up a little bit of ground from losing Bardic Knowledge if I go the route I'm thinking. Possibly also some feats to increase the DC's of either Enchantment or Illusion based spells. Other than that though, the concept could go who knows where.

So, here we go. What sort of ideas do you all have?

Ok so as someone who generally feels that they have a grasp for the rules I occasionally get suckered in by my own logic, and a possibility that I had long ago misjudged as impossible gets shoved in my face and I have to do a double take.

The culprit: Archtypes, specifically the combining of Archtypes.

When I originally started reading the rules about the Archtypes in the APG, I literally assumed that if you took one, then you *only* got to take one. I guess my brain was going back to the Class Kits from 2nd ed DnD.

Well after taking a overly long vacaction from the boards here, I have returned and began reading all about how different builds that people have implemented combined archtypes (ex. the Vivesectionist/Chirurgeon Alchemist).

Well assuming (see, there I go again) this tactic is legal in standard play (and I can see no reason why it wouldn't be) then from what I understand you can combine any collection of Archtypes as long as the abilities that the Archtypes are replacing do not overlap. Is this correct? Also are there any other rules that would effect the combining of Archtypes or that would prevent certain Archtypes from being combined?

Also is there a specific book or FAQ that talks about combining Archtypes? Thanks for your help in advance. I'm still in a little bit of shock that I didn't know about this sooner.

It's getting ready to be my turn to run for the group that I have been playing with for years now, and I am thinking of running CoT, just because I love the idea of a campaign where you are actually making a difference in one place and not trotting across the globe.

I was just wondering what people's experiences where for the different levels of point buys and if it's going to make that much of a difference if I go with 15 pts vs. 20 pts. or even 25 pts.?

My group will be between 4-6 players depending on who all actually signs on for this one, and there is a fair spread of heavy duty role players, rules lawyers, and power gamers involved.

So, that's it for now. I want to give my team a good show, but I also don't want to be perma-face palming when they blast through all of the baddies "like butta". So come one, come all. No advice will go unconsidered.

Thanks, in advance.

Ok so from time to time I contemplate taking a concept a little off of the beaten path. I usually do this by looking at the rules and how they are conventionally used and then finding a goofy little loop hole and running with it (mostly for laughs).

In this vein I was perusing the Duelist and noticed how most of its abilities required the use of a one handed piercing weapon. And then I said to myself, "Self, isn't a Heavy Pick a one handed piercing weapon?", and after taking a moment to double check I found that it was much to my glee.

So now I'm on a theoretical journey to build a Duelist who uses a Heavy Pick, and invite suggestions, comments, or criticisms.

In other words, feel free to "pick" this idea apart...pun very horribly intended :)

Hello.

I am writing to inform Paizo that I never received my copy of "The Final Wish" I thought maybe things were just taking some time, but yesterday my copy of "The Bastards of Erebus" arrived, so I think something may be up. Is there anything I can do about this (without paying for the cost of the book again, or printing the PDF version?)

Additionally my order of the Core Rules is currently in Pending status, even though I pre-ordered it, and I'm not sure why. Any information you could provide on this matter would be greatly appreciated

Thanks for your time and attention to these matters.

Hello all. I'm looking to start a PFS chapter in southwest VA, particularly the areas around Roanoke, VA (Blacksburg, Christiansburg, Lynchburg, Salem, etc.) and was looking to see if there is any interest from players in the area. If anyone is interested let me know and I'll shoot you over my contact info so we can get something started!

Hey there. I have been running a Homebrew that is fairly centered on the events of the Darkmoon Vale. The group has already gone through Hollow's Last Hope and Crown of the Kobold King and is looking into beginning Carnival of Tears soon. The game meets weekly on Sundays starting at approximately 2 p.m. and going on until everyone agrees to break up for the eve. Currently the party is at 3rd level.

2 things of note: 1) I do not dole out xp per encounter or session, however when the group accomplishes a main goal or finishes a module, the group levels; and 2) The game is very character driven so creating a detailed character background is highly recommended although not necessary.

Anyone who is interested please feel free to contact me and I will be happy to set up a meeting with you. I currently only have three people playing in my game and would like between 1 and 3 more to round things out.

Additionally my wife is planning on starting a new homebrew based out of the Land of the Linnorm Kings; so there may be an opportunity to get in on two games.

If I set up a subscription for Pathfinder Chronicles or one of the other very nice subscriptions that I can choose from, will my first product from the subscription be the first product created for that subscription (issue #1) or will it just start off with whatever book happens to be the current product (or current issue)?

I just want to be sure before I sign up for any subscriptions so I know what I need to do as far as purchasing back ordered issues.

Thanks so much! I've been reading everything I can about the Pathfinder game and I definitely think this will be a new home for my rpg's for the forseeable future!

Hope I didn't confuse anybody with my question.