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I'm thinking about something like a human Lore Warden/Bard:

Lore Warden 1 : Weapon Focus(Whip) / Dazzling display / Weapon Finesse
Lore Warden 1/Bard 1
Lore Warden 1/Bard 2 : Lingering Performance
Lore Warden 1/Bard 3
Lore Warden 2/Bard 3 : Improved Trip / Whip Mastery

After this all bard, except maybe for another level in lore warden (te get the extra maneuvers bonus).


Thanks a lot for all your ideas. Kitsune Oracle seems really reaaaally interessing. And fun! I'll keep this idea for another AP. Nature Oracle appears also to be fluffy and powerfull, but it seems redundant with the mini druid.

I am pretty sure that a bard will be the most useful class for my party. Tripping and dazzling display with my whip for debuffing (and some bardic performance), spells and bardic performance for buffing, versatile performance and bardic knowledge for the face and skill monkey.

Does anyone have any idea for not sucking at any of these roles?

Again, thank you for these really interessing ideas


MrCharisma wrote:

I had a swashtigator planned that might work. Go HALF ORC and take the STUDENT OF PHILOSOPHY background trait and the OVERLOOKED MASTERMIND alternate racial trait.

Overlooked Mastermind wrote:
Some half-orcs use half-orcs’ brutish stereotypes to their advantage, causing others to underestimate their intelligence and scheming. Such half-orcs gain a +2 racial bonus on Bluff, Diplomacy, and Sense Motive checks. This bonus increases to +4 against other humanoids. They also receive a +2 racial bonus on Bluff checks to feign ignorance and Sense Motive checks to intercept secret messages, and this stacks with the above bonus. This racial trait replaces intimidating, orc ferocity, and weapon familiarity.

Now you're and INT-based party-face.

... Or you could just go bard, they are pretty good at this kind of thing.

Problem is Kingmaker needs a ruler with a good charisma score (leadership roles), that's why i gave up my swashstigator


Hello all,

First of all, please excuse my poor english.

We are going to start a new campaign : kingmaker! We have 3 PC. My dear wife will be a tiefling fighter (two handed weapon), and my friend wants to be a dwarf druid.

I first planned to be a swashtigator (empirist investigator with a inspired blade swashbuckler dip), but i heard that it may be worthy to have a charismatic character.

So what are my options? I think about oracle or bard... I think a "face" can fill a hole in my party, especially a bard. I'd love to have a whip controller bard. But the whip part seems to require many feats. Have you a piece of advice? Dipping my bard? But with which class? Maneuveur master monk? Lore Warden? Mysterious avenger?

Or maybe another class?

Correct me if i'm wrong but the best role i can fill for my party are :
- buffer
- debuffer
- controller
- face
- "skill monkey"

Which of these are the more relevant, and how can I be the most useful for my friends?