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I am glad to get an answer to what I was wondering here. I was confused about it being listed as 500 gp on the Wonderous Item list, as well as being in the "Lesser Minor" section, but then in the detail it says it costs 8,000gp. Apparently the table still needs to be updated. Thanks!

I'd rule that you can't use the two together, but only because weapon snatcher allows you to use your slight of hand in place of your CM check.

That is similar to what the GM for my campaign said when we were discussing it, and I can accept that logic, but I wanted to see what other input or information I might be able to find, since I can make a case for both yes and no, and similarly, you say that it does not seem like it should work, but SlimGauge's interpretation of the description isn't inaccurate, and would allow for the use of both Weapon Snatcher and Break Guard.

Since you are using your skill, you are not getting the benefit of your weapon's enhancement bonus, so you aren't using the weapon to make the disarm attempt.

Is there a rule that you are referencing for why you can't use the weapon's enhancement bonus? If so, could you send me a link or let me know where that information is?

LockeCole wrote:

Do you need to use a free hand to get the benefit of Weapon Snatcher ?

All Weapon Snatcher does is allow you to use a sleight of hand check instead of a combat maneuver check in an otherwise standard disarm maneuver attempt. Since a standard disarm maneuver does not require a free hand (although you can attempt it unarmed at a penalty), then neither does WS. However, to automatically pick up the item dropped by the target of your disarm (if any), you need to have performed the disarm without using a weapon (and therefore not triggering Break Guard even if you were somehow wielding two other weapons not used in the disarm attempt).

I have run this by the GM for the campaign that I am playing in, and the ruling that was given to me is that because it is called "Weapon Snatcher" is reason enough to suggest that using a weapon to disarm is not applicable, because you cant "snatch" a weapon if you already are holding a weapon, which is a legitimate point, but is not explicit to the description, so I was really hoping that maybe there was a more explicit argument I could use than "It doesn't say I can't even though the name sounds like I shouldn't".

Assuming you meet all the requirements, are the Advanced Talent: Weapon Snatcher and Combat Feat: Break Guard compatible?

Weapon Snatcher (Ex):
"Benefit: A rogue with this talent can make a Sleight of Hand check in place of a combat maneuver check when attempting to disarm an opponent."

Break Guard:
"Benefit: While wielding two weapons, whenever you successfully use one weapon to disarm an opponent, you can spend a swift action to attack the opponent you attempted to disarm using your other weapon."

The question I cant find an answer to is:
Do you need to use a free hand to get the benefit of Weapon Snatcher. It doesnt say in the description that you cant use a weapon to disarm, but the name suggests otherwise. Also, according to the wording of Break Guard needing two 'weapons', even with Improved Unarmed Strike it doesnt work because you are considered armed, but fists are not 'weapons'.
Any help clarifying is greatly appreciated.

Hey MDT - where is this delightful dirty trick list of which you speak?

He let me borrow it, but there was an exploding runes on page 69...so now it is a little blown up...

And you can then pick skill mastery for slight of hand, because who needs to roll when you can just take 10 with a +44 check result.

That or you can take Ninja Tricks Ki Pool and Vanishing Trick to get invisibility, then Greater Vanishing Trick Advanced. Why stop at making your bonus absurd when you can also penalize your opponent by being flat-footed when it suits you best?

This is actually something I have been playing around with the idea of; specifically a barbarian who can use his opponents as ammunition. Something that I found while looking at this was the 'hurler' rage powers. They are specifically about throwing things while raging.
I have a feeling that RAW will never specifically say "why yes, you can break the game by using the enemy as a weapon" since "Damage done to a target is also done to the object thrown" based on the information related to the Hurler I mentioned. However, it does not specifically say that you can not do this. If anyone knows more on the rules related to this, I would love to hear what they know.

Skill Focus gives a higher bonus than Deft Hands. The best choice would be Improved Disarm, Skill Focus, and Deft Hands. In that order. But if you have all three that's a +7 bonus before level 10 and a +12 bonus after level 10 (as long as you max out Sleight of Hand). Then if you have another feat to blow you can go with Greater Disarm for a +14 bonus.

This works out amazingly well. I saw the Weapon Snatcher when I started as a level 1 rogue. These all stack fantastically and the result is a rogue who gets what he/she wants.

Another tip: Gloves of Larceny. +5 bonus to, you guessed it, Sleight of hand. That's a +34 before you roll for those who are keeping track.