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After reviewing what I wrote Specifically I would have it written as such:

Charging: Movement During a Charge

You must move before your attack, not after. You must move at least 10 feet (2 squares) and may move up to double your speed directly toward the designated opponent. If you move a distance equal to your speed or less, you can also draw a weapon during a charge attack if your base attack bonus is at least +1.

You must have a clear path toward the opponent, and nothing can hinder your movement (such as difficult terrain or obstacles). You must move to the closest space from which you can attack the opponent. If this space is occupied or otherwise blocked, you can't charge. If any line from your starting space to the ending space passes through a square that blocks movement, slows movement, or contains a creature (even an ally), you can't charge. Helpless creatures don't stop a charge.

If you don't have line of sight to the opponent at the start of your turn, you can't charge that opponent.

You can't take a 5-foot step in the same round as a charge.

IF you are squeezing at the start of your charge move your character at normal squeezing movement penalty. When the character is no longer under the affects of squeezing you must move at least 10 feet (2 squares) to complete the charge, failure to move 10 feet results in a double move action.


Right now, it seems that there is no way to just ignore the squeezing affecting movement.... just not able to get past that fact so, the DM rule that a 2 to 1 ratio for movement is considered a movement impairing affect. What I need is a real Paizo ruling whether or not Squeezing would be deemed under movement impairing or not or if special rules would be placed like I said earlier it's easy for me to see the character wiggling until it's free and then charging.


Andrew Christian wrote:

Since there is a whole archetype (narrow frame) and monster ability (compression) that would specifically mitigate squeezing, and Dragon Style does not consider squeezing, I would say that Dragon Style does not mitigate the squeezed condition.

Charge also doesn't mention squeezing directly, but if you draw lines for charging per the rules, then the path of the charge would be impeded by a narrow path in front of the large creature. It would make sense that while squeezed this would also apply.

Expect Table Variation. However I'd expect most variation to err on the side of not allowing a charge while squeezed.

I'm sorry could you show/explain the archetype you mention. I looked into Narrow frame/Lithe Attacker Feat which does not change the the movement penalty, I also reviewed all Cavalier archetypes approved by Paizo. To my knowledge there isn't anything that specifically causes you to ignore the movement penalty due to squeezing.

Honestly to me IF I were to think of it reasonably I would see the creature squeezing until it got out of the corridor it was squeezing through and then at that point/area if there was sufficient distance for a charge (10 ft) and through all of the distance did not exceed 2 times the mount's speed the charge should legal. I view it really as *wiggle* *wiggle* *wiggle* I'm free, CHARGE!


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I was told that I could not charge with my cavalier while my mount was squeezing

My Mount has Dragon Style: Benefit: While using this style, you gain a +2 bonus on saving throws against sleep effects, paralysis effects, and stunning effects. You ignore difficult terrain when you charge, run, or withdraw. You can also charge through squares that contain allies. Further, you can add 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus on the damage roll for your first unarmed strike on a given round.

Charging: Movement During a Charge

You must move before your attack, not after. You must move at least 10 feet (2 squares) and may move up to double your speed directly toward the designated opponent. If you move a distance equal to your speed or less, you can also draw a weapon during a charge attack if your base attack bonus is at least +1.

You must have a clear path toward the opponent, and nothing can hinder your movement (such as difficult terrain or obstacles). You must move to the closest space from which you can attack the opponent. If this space is occupied or otherwise blocked, you can't charge. If any line from your starting space to the ending space passes through a square that blocks movement, slows movement, or contains a creature (even an ally), you can't charge. Helpless creatures don't stop a charge.

If you don't have line of sight to the opponent at the start of your turn, you can't charge that opponent.

You can't take a 5-foot step in the same round as a charge.

If you are able to take only a standard action on your turn, you can still charge, but you are only allowed to move up to your speed (instead of up to double your speed) and you cannot draw a weapon unless you possess the Quick Draw feat. You can't use this option unless you are restricted to taking only a standard action on your turn.

Here is the rules for Squeezing:

In some cases, you may have to squeeze into or through an area that isn't as wide as the space you take up. You can squeeze through or into a space that is at least half as wide as your normal space. Each move into or through a narrow space counts as if it were 2 squares, and while squeezed in a narrow space, you take a –4 penalty on attack rolls and a –4 penalty to AC.

When a Large creature (which normally takes up 4 squares) squeezes into a space that's 1 square wide, the creature's miniature figure occupies 2 squares, centered on the line between the 2 squares. For a bigger creature, center the creature likewise in the area it squeezes into.

A creature can squeeze past a creature while moving but it can't end its movement in an occupied square.

To squeeze through or into a space less than half your space's width, you must use the Escape Artist skill. You can't attack while using Escape Artist to squeeze through or into a narrow space, you take a –4 penalty to AC, and you lose any Dexterity bonus to AC.

Please, I can't make a just claim either way sense squeezing does not explicitly say movement impeding effect.