tlotig wrote:Amanda Plageman wrote:That's a really good point, and one that can only be addressed table-by-table. If you're playing something fatally ineffectual with 5 optimized characters, I wouldn't call that even potentially disruptive. Even if you're subpar, everyone else at the table more than makes up for a weak link, so the only person who might suffer is you.Even worse when there are 4 average PCs and the 5th player brings their monk/oracle/bard, Not only can they not contribute by removing the 4 player adjustment they have made the game harder for the other players.
A character is never worthless. A player can play any character in a worthless manner.
I am from Pathfinder Lodge of Jacksonville Fl, and I have had players turn to me in play and say "your character is **&^%$ worthless"- for this exact reason: they all want to play ... is it 'OP' - over powered- and I play for fun and flavor, or a theme, etc. And yes, our group is now awful to play with. This is off-topic from original question re. whip, but our Lodge has VO's doing whatever they want, anyway (like 'banning' deal of original post thread)--- and that is a people problem, not a PFS rule problem. Unfortunately, you can't force people to be fair. You may want to find personal friends and start your own game if you can't find a fun game within your lodge, if you're playing Organized Play... Best of LUck.