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That would make sense accept that's NOT how it is presented. A natural Lycan or a cursed both have an Animal form. And the Abilities block states that the stats are adjusted to the highest of the Base creature OR the base animal while in hybrid and animal form. Since we ALWAYS have the base creature as its who's affected we need the Base animal.

You do have the base Animal, its the second part to the Lycan as shown in the bestiary, its listed as the hybrid, they add the +2 Str and +2 con on it as well, its there base, thats why they added,

In animal and hybrid form, the lycanthrope’s ability scores are the same as the base creature’s or the base animal’s, whichever ability score is higher.

So what u do is take the players stats and add the strength and con bonus when they change,
then compare the stats of the Bestiary's Hybrid form and take the strongest of both if your players strength is still weak after the Bonus u take the strength 18 from the hybrid or if your players strength is higher than 18 once it has the +2 then u keep the players stat, and the same for the rest of the stats leaving u with a nice buff beast.

Not forgetting that those small stat bonuses are not the only things they get, the player also gets all the animal feats listed and combat attacks like bites and claws etc.

What i'm saying is when u take the hybrid / Bear form u don't go through
and find the grizzly bear stats and whack them on u take the stats of the Lycan's base hybrid stats as written in the book save for one thing, which is as said b4 u keep the highest stats from your character or the lycan what ever is the highest score.

Anyway, if you are the Game master you should do what works best for you, As all Role play games state,

These books are not RULES so much as GUIDE LINES to help make the play experience fun. You could make your girlfriends Hybrid / Animal form a 14 foot Dire Grizzly and set the stats u want it to have if that makes your game easier, everything is ultimately left to the interpretation of the Game Master so nothing is ever Permanent. Better yet write up your own version of a Lycan give it a 2 turn Bone snapping Transformation that can demoralize any one watching at a neg 5 penalty with a natural spring attack feat not requiring the Prerequisites, its all good. Have fun with it >.- remember there is no right and wrong for a Game Master only your Will.

Ok lets clear this up.

Piazo have made a set of Lycans just a few so far,

These are considered NATURAL Lycan (Born, not made). And they have SET stats. Based on a class they are best suited to eg Tiger = rogues etc.
This is at the top of each type, right under the XP listing.

There are some basic rules they set if the Game master wanted to CURSE the players with this disease.

Curse of Lycanthropy (Su) A natural lycanthrope's bite attack in animal or hybrid form infects a humanoid target with lycanthropy (Fortitude DC 15 negates). If the victim's size is not within one size category of the lycanthrope's size, this ability has no effect.

Now... Lets only look at the bear, thats what u seem to like,

In animal and hybrid form, the lycanthrope’s ability scores are the same as the base creature’s or the base animal’s, whichever ability score is higher.

The best way to explain this is ANY Natural Lycan in human form have this set of stats,

Human natural werebear ranger 4
CG Medium humanoid (human, shapechanger)
Init +2; Senses low-light vision, scent; Perception +8
DEFENSE AC 16, touch 12, flat-footed 14 (+4 armor, +2 Dex)
hp 34 (4d10+8)Fort +5, Ref +6, Will +2
OFFENSE Speed 30 ft.
Melee mwk battleaxe +9 (1d8+4/×3)
Ranged mwk throwing axe +7 (1d6+3)
Special Attacks favored enemy (orcs +2)
Ranger Spells Prepared (CL 1st; concentration +2)1st—detect poison
STATISTICS
Str 16, Dex 14, Con 13, Int 12, Wis 12, Cha 8
Base Atk +4; CMB +7; CMD 19

In Hybrid Bear form it has,

Human natural werebear ranger 4
LG Medium humanoid (human, shapechanger)
Init +2; Senses low-light vision, scent; Perception +8
DEFENSE AC 18, touch 12, flat-footed 16 (+4 armor, +2 Dex, +2 natural)
hp 38 (4d10+12)Fort +6, Ref +6, Will +2 DR 10/silver
OFFENSE Speed 30 ft.
Melee mwk battleaxe +10 (1d8+4/×3), bite +3 (1d6+2 plus curse of lycanthropy), claw +3 (1d6+4 plus grab)
Ranged mwk throwing axe +7 (1d6+4)Special Attacks favored enemy (orcs +2) Ranger Spells Prepared (CL 1st; concentration +2)1st—detect poison
STATISTICS
Str 18, Dex 14, Con 15, Int 12, Wis 12, Cha 8
Base Atk +4; CMB +8 (+12 grapple); CMD 20

Now As an example U are h half elf ( Medium size) Class (base: Mage)
Stats Str 8, Dex 15, Con 11, Int 18, Wis 13, Cha 15

U get Cursed by the Lycan bear, in normal form u now have,
Stats Str 8, Dex 15, Con 11, Int 18, Wis 15, Cha 13

NOW! When u change to hybrid u draw the strongest stats from both you and the hybrid ( KEEPING IN MIND that the natural hybrids stats e.g Str 18, already have the bonus's factored in)

The Lycan's Stats naturally
Str 18, Dex 14, Con 15, Int 12, Wis 12, Cha 8

So U take the strength 18 from the lycan (yours is 10 after the bonus's) your dex is higher at 15 the Lycans con at 15 (yours is 13 after the infection) your intel at 18, your Wisdom at 15 and your Charisma at 13

The Curse (after the basic affliction to Charisma) can only enhance other stats,

Next point...If you where a Warrior!
Pre curse,
Str 18, Dex 13, Con 16, Int 8, Wis 10, Cha 15.

Cursed Normal form,
Str 18, Dex 13, Con 16, Int 8, Wis 12, Cha 13.

Cursed (Hybrid)
Str 20, Dex 14, Con 18, Int 12, Wis 12, Cha 13
(After taking the best from both.)

When they are saying ANIMAL form they are refering to the Pre-set stats of the base Hybrid (be it Bear, Boar, Wolf, Rat or other) not a standard animal, in your case a bear, brown black or otherwise.

Then there is the foot note at the bottom of the Bestiary,

When a PC becomes a lycanthrope, you as the GM have a choice to make. In most cases, you should take control of the PC's actions whenever he is in hybrid or animal form—lycanthropy shouldn't be a method to increase a PC's power, after all, and what an afflicted lycanthrope does while in animal or hybrid form is often at odds with what the character would actually want. If a player wants to play a lycanthrope, he should play a natural lycanthrope and follow the guidelines for playing a character of a powerful race.

Power races:
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/monstersAsPCs.html

If u want to look at it from another point off view,

In animal and hybrid form, the lycanthrope’s ability scores are the same as the base crature’s or the base animal’s, whichever ability score is higher.

When they talk about the base creature they are not talking about the were-type that attacked them or the Shape they change into e.g Bear Boar Rat etc but the Infected creatures original (the persons base stats) when you look at the bestiary it shows the HUMAN stats first at Str 16 and Con 13, and in bear form or hybrid form its Str 18 and Con 15 that's the +2 +2. now if the Original form was a bear that was infected to shape change to a hybrid u would be in a world of hurt!

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/additionalMonsters/lycanthrope.html#_lyc anthrope,-werebear

how does that look to u now!?

While there are a lot of grey areas in the writings of any fantasy game the foreword in most books say something like this, These rules are not in-fact rules so much as GUIDE LINES for fun and compelling adventures, have fun with them and set the ground work for this kind of thing with the party before u start.

One GM i played with allowed this! Combat in a forest with low foliage, our party and a group of highway men, mid combat i moved just outside the circle of combat, and behind a tree, blocking the enemy view of me, i used stealth to conceal myself and at 1/2 movement moved in to combat range a turn L8r, using the foliage as my cover (he said while distracted by combat and line of sight i was easily able to use stealth to hide) then remain stealth'd against checks due to foliage until i attacked. Another Game this was not aloud as the GM (different person)said they knew where i was and could anticipate or expected me to come from either side of where id moved out of vision and said that was enough during combat to not allow stealth. So that was fine with me too. Happy Interpretations all. >.-