Ex Lege Libertas's page

I agree with Sebastian - ditching the alignment restriction is a thing that has been very sorely needed by the paladin class for a long time. A few other classes are limited in one axis of alignment, but no other class is limited in both. In return, Paladins have neither the heavy combat capabilities of a Fighter nor the full-range healing and buffing powers of a Cleric.

Removing the alignment restriction presents interesting thematic options. Deity write-ups could include notes on each deity's paladins, what they can smite, whether they heal or hurt with a touch, whether they channel positive or negative energy, etc., lending flavor to the deity's clergy and properly positioning Clerics as 'church leaders,' while Paladins become closer to 'holy warriors' of any given god.

The Cavalier already exists as a class. The Paladin need not be solely the 'knight in shining armor,' since the Cavalier expressly fills that role. Allowing Paladins to break from the alignment restrictions, and instead, say, requiring that they be their deity's exact alignment, yields many new storytelling opportunities. Individual deities' paladins could be individually balanced, allowing Paladins to fulfill roles that otherwise would be filled by currently non-alignment-restricted classes.

Writeups of deities could also include straightforward oaths that any paladin of the deity is required to take and uphold, at the risk of losing his paladin powers.

All this to say, I think the River Warden represents a widening of the Paladin class that has been a long time coming. As a player who enjoys thematics far, far more than number-crunching, seeing the Paladin pattern stretched to include other oaths and virtues is very exciting for me. Thumbs-up, would vote again.

Also, as an aside, Kamau does not look like the avatar I've picked for the character. Unfortunately, nothing really fit the image of a Garundi warrior in the way I was hoping for, so I picked this one for the sole purpose of making my posts distinctive.

I'll be putting links to various visual aids for the character into his profile, so make sure to glance there. There's already a picture of the actor stand-in I've chosen to use, so that you can get a sense of what the character looks like.

Being as we didn't set any hard facts about their relationships, I think it likely that they know *of* one another, but don't necessarily know each other personally. Maybe they recognize each others' competence, have heard names passed around, that kind of thing?

It's unlikely that any of you would have a very long-standing relationship with Kamau as Albrekt and Ventar do, given how far from home Kamau is and the circumstances of his arrival. Still, he's been in Caliphas for at least eight months now, so there's time enough to have developed a professional relationship if at any point there was need of an assassin.

Either way, Kamau is a powerfully built Garundi man with a very distinctive dressing style. He'd be hard to miss, and it would take someone practically deaf not to have heard a comment about him at one point or another in the city.

Does anyone have any requests for scrolls or potions for me to make pregame? I at least plan for some clw pots and comp language scroll. For my own selection of languages I thinking of taking: Draconic, Abyssal, Orc and Sylvan. Any other suggestions based on what we might be dealing with?

Are there regional languages to be concerned about? It seems like there would be...

Kamau would definitely make use of some CLW pots.

Albrekt, btw, your total HP seems to be off.

14 CON = +2, x3 levels. 6.
3 more for three levels of favored class.
3d10 HD = 10 + 6 + 6, 22.

22 + 3 + 6 should be 31, not 29. Yes? :D

I was debating a gravewalker witch, but was wondering how well that would fit in with the group. If you need skills though, I could do rogue or bard instead.

I suggested a rogue solely because it would connect up well to Kamau, if story-mixing is something you wanted. I'm a firm believer in the idea that you should do what would be fun for you first, and worry about 'group composition' second. Fatespinner is a very clever man - he'll put things together that make it interesting. There won't be any "Yup, that's a death trap, should've made a rogue, huh?" moments.

Is there any specific role the party is currently lacking?

Right now, the party lineup is:

An Infernal Sorcerer
A Cleric of Urgathoa (Summoning/controlling undead)
A Barbarian/Antipaladin (Fulfilling the role of tank and hate-machine)
A stealthy warrior-type (d10 HD, Full BAB)

What we really need most, in my opinion, would be a skill-heavy class. A rogue --> Assassin would find a good home here, I think.

Again, this is just my opinion, but I think the key to it would be to find a way for the character to actively value her companions. Not necessarily to love, or even like them, but certainly to "trust" them at least as far as things like combat are concerned. Ideally, I would like to see something like "friendship" generated amongst this group. We aren't all psychotic sociopaths (although... the Antipaladin of Rovagug? ...probably a psychotic sociopath. >.>) and if we all play "dark and scary uber-loners," we're gonna have a bad time.

The Cleric and Antipaladin have already found a story-niche. I'd be up for finding common story-ground for your character to bring you more fully into the group if you'd like. Alternately, if your character is more arcane-related, maybe the sorcerer is your better bet? :D

Welcome to the thread!

To be honest like any self serving group of adventurers - the main reason we could be drawn together is the opportunity of coin and power...

We don't need a WOTW style unifying bond as such, merely were your standard party albeit the other side of the coin.

While the standard hero may save the kitten stuck up a tree because its an innocent creature in peril etc, we may save said kitten only to eat it, because "kitten mittens" are the latest fashion, or out of pure spite...

(BTW not advocating kittenocide here :)

Recognise we need a common lure, but given most parties are made of hugely disperate heroes; the same can work for this nefarious gang nei?

My 2 runes worth

I do still think that we should all design characters with the basic intent of working together, whatever the reasons might be, if only because it'll be cool to see what "brothers in arms" looks like for the Evil side.

For my part, I have no trouble working with others, as long as I can find a way to have them advance the goals of Hell.

Perhaps, similar to Way of the Wicked, we share a collective persecution? Or maybe we all worked together, perhaps as part of a bigger group, to take down some force of good? In fact, both could work. First we were persecuted, than we gather together to destroy our persecuter.

Kamau isn't likely to have been persecuted. He's essentially on something like a vision quest. I realize I haven't put many details up so far, though.

Kamau Navarre is something like a bounty hunter, currently. He's currently hiding out in Caliphas due to a mission that went a little sideways on him. Kamau is disciplined and more than capable of just shrugging off small inconsistencies in the group dynamic, so long as people aren't actively trying to kill or convert him. What he's looking for right now is either a larger group to band with for the sake of improving his skills and testing himself, or (if the group happens to be going his way) to travel with and get back to somewhere more southerly.

As for the 'vision quest,' it's mostly to do with his theology and his belief in "destiny," which is probably better discerned in-game through conversation.

How about getting started for the 4 we've got atm and get the last addition to the group when we are underway ? Usually takes a bit of time to get stuck into it

anyway...

I'm eager to see the game, but I'm not in any rush to start at the expense of having things set up. There's no time limit on these games.

Anyone else want to chime in with a backdrop story of why we ended up keeping company?

I assumed that was gonna be Fatey's job, and that we had not all become a "party" before this point.

Fatespinner: Do we need to cover that? Should we gin up a reason we're all working together?

@ ELL: Thanks, I appreciate being back.

I'm neutral on the Obsidian Portal thing. It sounds really cool, and if you're willing to put the work in, I'm all for it.

I am making a cav/bard/herald, so I will have some samplings of arcane casting, but not enough to matter. More like tossing morale bonuses and demoralizing our enemies.

That said, he's pretty much prepared in my head, just need to apply to paper. So if anyone wants to see less armor, by all means, let me know before I finalize by tomorrow evening.

Also: If I'm keeping my Cav, which I'd like to do, I want to request any melee bruisers to take Outflank. Shenanigans are sure to happen. ;)

Outflank looks great, definitely on my to-do list.

These guys are gonna be butchers on the field.

KMB - Welcome back, and glad to hear that the story had a happy ending.

Fatespinner - I'm neutral on the whole Obsidian Portal thing.

In short I won't be turning my character on everyone else at the drop of a hat. I'm actually thinking of borrowing one of the notions behind my nom du guerre of Black Dow... in the books he followed (begrudgingly and bitterly but followed none the less), one Logan Ninefingers, who was the only man to have bested him...

Rovagug respects power and strength after all...

So whose up for being the gimps master ;)

It won't be Kamau, but I do like the angle it's taking. :)

Ironically Abrar was thinking of using your avatar for my PC :)

Aye more than happy to work with you on the backstory

1 x Urgathoa
1 x Rovagug
2 x Asmodeus? C'mon guys - one of you be a devil and jump ship lol

1x Achaekek. ;)

Just so that people aren't trying to build around me while I flip-flop, I figured I'd mention that I'm going to go ahead and stick with the Urban Ranger. It builds into what I want, and the 'favored community' thing has been handled in a way that I think satisfies the character concept.

Also, Black Dow: I hope I didn't come across as having misgivings about your Barbarian/AntiPaladin idea - I think it's great. With all the rest of the party seeming to tend toward the Lawful/Tyrannical/Disciplined side, it'd be cool to have someone attached to the group who's just barely keeping his overwhelming violence-urges in check, just to give the group some flavor. Not just "villain," but "monster!" :D

Ex Lege, an Urban Ranger is a solid choice, but it could end up limiting you, if we don't stick to a city and I wouldn't want you to regret your choice later.

How about Inquisitor? That class has recently become a new favorite of mine, and nicely combines a fair amount of the combat effectiveness of the Ranger and the skills and all around usefulness of a Rogue.

Inquisitor would be cool for another angle on this particular character concept, but it deprioritizes certain stats in order to benefit from others, like Wisdom. What I have set up right now conforms much more readily with what I have in mind.

As for the Urban Ranger, I don't intend to stick with it for too long before I qualify for the PrC I'm heading to. The 'favored communities' thing doesn't really interest me, it's true, but no other class seems to numerically do what I want without suffering somewhere.

Ideally, I'd like something with a full BAB, d10 hitdie, and some stealth and technical skills. That seems to be the Urban Ranger. It'd be nice if I could dump 'favored community' for the original 'favored terrain,' yeah. That wouldn't really be fair to everyone else that has to pick up certain class-bits they might not necessarily like/need, though.

However, I do have an alternate character concept, if we want something a bit more rogue-y. I think it'd be kind of neat to see what an Inquisitor --> AssassinPrC looks like. The deity? Calistria. What would an Inquisitor of Calistria look like? Not just 'faithful,' but almost fanatically devoted to the idea of vengeance?

I'm just spinning ideas here, I don't want to turn the whole game upside down.

Looks like it's pretty balanced, yeah. I like the idea of the "rogue" being diffused into two different characters instead of just having a "designated skillmonkey." Also, the fact that our 'tank' is probably going to be a berserk mutilator type certainly changes the group's dynamic.

Lastly, wanted to mention that the fact that someone named "Black Dow" is playing a Barbarian/AntiPaladin makes me pretty happy. How perfect is that?

Hey, everyone. Thanks for having me. I realize that very few people will know who I am, so I'm glad for the chance to meet the community a bit more and get my hands dirty in a PbP.

What I'm really hoping for out of this group is the kind of evil that recognize common cause and actually have some comradeship. I don't expect us all to be super-buddy-buddy, but I think it'd be cool if, instead of the typical "evil game" where it's constant backstabbing and all-for-me, it's almost a "united front," where we see what evil looks like when it actually works together, and what happens when it presents a unified opposition to the constant cooperation that "good" usually musters.

I'm also not saying that no one should ever fly off the handle. I thought I heard the noise of a Rough Beast follower off in the distance somewhere, so I expect half of the fun is going to be the more disciplined characters just smirking and letting the berserker off his chain to go wreck house while they watch.

I think the idea of "magnificent/epic evil" is probably going to be a lot more fun and a lot more long-term workable. What do you guys think?

Kamau is going to be a pretty "disciplined" sort of evil, so it sounds like he'll get along reasonably well with the Hellknight and Cleric of Asmodeus. Kamau is shaping up to be an Urban Ranger, a tracker and headhunter. I'm not 100% sold on "Urban Ranger" as a required class/archetype, so if someone else wants to fill that particular role, I can do the concept more as a rogue. It sounds like we have plenty of face-smashing, but may be a little lacking in the skill department. Suggestions?

He's of Chelish descent, but his actual origin is a little more unusual than that. A little of the fun of the character is going to be in how close he plays things and how much of his communication is based on subtlety and nuance, so I don't want to drop complete stories right away.

Anyway, this is already shaping up to be pretty cool. Again, I'm somewhat new to PbPs and very new to Golarion, so if I sparked any ideas, please don't hesitate to post them. I'll take all the help I can get.

Still 1-3-2, but just three levels of Urban Ranger. I'll go with Human so that Tenro can play the Tiefling and we don't end up with two of them. :P

1-3-2. Rog2/Ftr1. Human, or perhaps Tiefling, depending on flavor and party composition.

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Developer comment has been the same, time, and time again.

Using Vital Strike is an attack action, which is a type of standard action.

That is what you have to work with.

What is proposed by the original post:

Round one:
>> Standard Action: Cast vampiric touch. Do not make free touch attack.
>> Move Action: Whatever.

Round Two:
>> Standard Action: Vital Strike (with vampiric touch as weapon-like spell)

If there is a reason you brought this up a second time that I missed, please explain why.

I'm not speaking for him, but it reads to me after your scenario as, "Round 2: You may spend your standard action to make an attack action using your vampiric strike, OR you may spend your standard action to make a Vital Strike."

Spells make you 'armed' for the purposes of threatening squares and attacks of opportunity, but they are not weapons. You cannot, for example, cast vampiric touch and then get your vampiric touch enchanted with a +1 keen effect, because it is not, itself, a weapon.

Vital strike doesn't say it can be combined with spells. Vampiric touch is a spell. Therefore you cannot combine them.

I'm afraid (as my posts have probably attested already) that I'm not keeping up with the game nearly as much as I used to, guys. The combination of a shift in real-life priorities following my move back to AZ, plus, honestly, the glacial pacing of *any* PbP game, have combined to just about kill my interest.

Ross, you've got an amazing gift for written narrative. I don't mean my withdrawal or my reference to game-pacing to be a slight to how you've conducted the game, and I'm pretty certain I'd be hanging on every session if it were an at-the-table thing. I just don't think I knew what I was signing up for when I picked up the game nearly a year ago.

I hope the game isn't affected too adversely by my departure, I realize that you've lost one character already, but at the same time, Taras has literally done just about *nothing,* mechanics-wise, and the party has seemed to be functional enough.

Take care, and thanks for putting up with me this whole way. At least it'll be one less person to sit around waiting for, right?

Indeed. Ex, can you ping Jack, if possible, and see if he'll ever really be returning to the Paizo boards? Otherwise, we'll have to hunt for a new player for the barbarian.

I don't think he'll be back, real life has gotten hectic for him. He's got a lot on his plate between school, work, and future planning.

The guards at the checkpoint take you up the great pyramid and three levels into the castle itself, where you are met by a beautiful woman dressed in full plate. Verronax, Taras, as nobles and diplomats, you recognize the woman as Sabina Merrin, the Queen's bodyguard and handmaiden. “Greetings. They tell me you’ve something that

belongs to the queen. Is this correct?”

Hot potato! Who's got the brooch? We can just arbitrarily say Verronax or Taras has it, I guess.

Rob McCreary wrote:

1. Did everyone get 212.66 gp from Lamm's treasure?

That's what I calculated and added to my sheet.

Also - we never split up these:

The wooden wand of acid splash (37).(of course) [Taras?]
The obsidian wand of magic missile (1st - 23). [Taras?]
The crystal vial of silversheen. [Verronax?]
The glass tube of oil of keen edge. [Karista?]

I had assumed Taras was given the wands back at the temple of Abadar. Sorry if that wasn't the way things went. o.O

I think it's safe to say that with all of his Detect Magic and Identify casting earlier in the day, Taras is mostly out of spells. Does this mean that he has to wait until tomorrow, or that he can sit in the center of the room to re-memorize Detect Magic? If he can, I'll do that.

I'm going to need someone to do my legwork for me, I think, unless all the beta stuff is available for free online. I've since ceased living with JackDaedalus and don't have access to the materials.

There isn't really a standard procedure when Identify fails. What would you like to ask the temple priests?

Ross:

Finding myself with a lot of extra internet-time lately, and thought I might poke my head in and see if anyone needs another player.

I prefer extremely high-roleplay settings and a lot of character development. I'm open to most forms of DnD with a preference toward Eberron, FR, and the 3.5 ruleset. I can also pick up any "Old WoD" setting, if there's interest there.

What can I say? They broke in to the wrong damn lavatory.

A fight in the bathroom is going to be seriously cool from a "cinematic" standpoint. Be prepared to face the possibility of a urinal curb-stomping. Robbie's not in the mood to play nice... or fair. He's a marginally competant fighter, but he's no Bruce Lee. I'm just hoping that my would-be attacker isn't actually some 6'10" Jamaican kickboxer. :(

Grab the dude's hair and just keep swinging his face at hard things, imo.

Wow. Admitting to the possibility of having to charge the bathroom door in the maximum security prison because there's a dude on the other side who's going to knife you if you don't... ...all the while with his pants down. That's some World of Darkness s**t right there.

"...Man, we're gonna ice some dude on the can. That's cold."

We can just ret-con it in, if you like.

Harrow deck description** spoiler omitted **

A Harrow deck would be fairly important to Taras, so I want to be sure we have a proper introduction for it if that's how it would go. Would like to wait for Taemin and see how he'd like to insert it into the game. If he just hands it over, we'll go from there... if Taras had it as one of the items he identified, I'll post an addendum to the bit I put up earlier.

Sure - didn't know it was magic.

How's he going to go about it? Is he going to ask/produce the deck right now? I didn't notice that Taemin had left it on the table either (because I apparently can't read...), so Taras clearly didn't notice it or something.

Majuba wrote:

I wasn't hiding it earlier.

Ah. I misunderstood.

Taras, presuming no one objects, will make to keep the gold brooch with the broken clasp - the one with the pseudodragon and the imp entangled, with gems for eyes.

Majuba wrote:

Hey Ross... Any room for a "Profession (Harrower)" or "Perform (Harrow)" skill?

If I had to guess, it'd be Perform. Why?

That's good to know. I had intended Taras, as a diviner and "lay-clergy" of Desna, to eventually own and operate a Harrow deck.

If anyone has any more business tonight, let me know. Otherwise we can head for tomorrow morning. Taras, are you still intending to spend some time Appraising magic items tonight?

Actually, I was planning on appraising the ones that seem like they have magical properties, making use of the Identify spell and actually having answers for people about them. He's a diviner - he's curious.

Okay, who is staying at Jazbarl's, and who is going to the bank with Verronax?

For the sake of gameplay, Taras will generally meander with the group. Keep all the wealth in one (general) place, as well as not endangering Jaz just for taking in stragglers. Plus... you know, not exactly safe to be separated from the group.

Things have been weird the last few days. Housing situation is not nearly what I expected it to be. Things will smooth out within a month or so, no well-wishes needed.

Regardless, I'll be checking the site far more often now. Sorry if I held anything up.

Same here - also moving cross-country. I'm pretty obsessive about my computer access, though, and am staying in the interim with a friend who has internets.

However, from here on, consider Taras to be on the 24 hour rule - if you don't hear from me once a day, go ahead and pop something in for Taras. He's a vocal party member and it'd be strange for him to let much go without saying anything.

Ross:

It's been more than a month since a post in the game thread. Is it dead?

I think we're calling it dead, yeah. JackDaedalus and I have an upcoming move, so it'd be at least another two weeks before any kind of serious momentum got going, which basically means that it will have taken a year to actually "start," i.e. get past the Prologue and into meaningful story-bits.

Most of the mistakes are on my end, and ones that really haven't even been seen by the players. For one, having seen how long the prologue took to put together, I can see that I clearly did not scale this as a PbP game. I wrote a story that would work fine on a tabletop, but on message boards, I can easily see the arc I've written (not to mention the possibility of an entire 16-20 level story!) taking years, if not longer.

I apologize for holding everybody up for nothing. My consolation to this is that between the email preludes, the discussion thread, and the play-thread, we've probably got less than 300 posts, which isn't much at all to this crowd. I didn't actually waste anyone's time, and I think it's best to call it now, before I actually do. ;)

Ross - I'll gladly run you a one-player-by-email game if you just want to see the world. Fatey and JackD have already seen it, and I'm probably going to do a one-player game for Andante as well. I offer because I hate to have you build up for this over so long only to have it come to nothing. You seem like someone who'll at least appreciate it and give it your all.

Let me know what you think.

The Matron takes the coins with a smile, taking them to a donation box somewhere inside. She returns shortly with a ledger and freshly-dipped quill. "I just need a signature from one of you. The Abadarites insist on good records."

At this, Taras steps back, nodding to Verronax and gesturing him cordially up onto the porch.

Taras wrote:

Taras fishes out four gold coins - inventory edited. As I understand it, gold is still a pretty big deal to "commoners" in Pathfinder, yeah?

Pathfinder doesn't change any assumptions about the value of money, as far as I'm aware. So gold is still a big deal. However, it is not as big a deal in Korvosa as it would be in a Hommlet-style rural area, due to the general tendency of cities to increase the cost of living.

For instance, 1 sp/day is listed as a wage for an unskilled laborer. This is sufficient for a peasant, because they can garden most of their own food and already have shelter. That would not be a living wage in Korvosa. So generally, I consider that 1 sp/day to be the necessary profit from an unskilled job after meeting the bare minimum of survival.

Further, my rule of thumb is that a gold piece is equivalent to about $40 or $50 in modern currency.

Okay. So, by that guess, then, considering that they could've just put the kids in the orphanage's charge and been on their merry way, Taras' dropping a $200 donation on the place isn't just a smack in the face, like giving a homeless guy four cents when he asks for change.

Good. That's the point that I wanted Taras to make, that's all.

Are we having an interlude and then switching scenes, or are we going to play our way to wherever we end up? Taras is pretty antsy about the diplomat's lost child, and about seeing to the rest of the kids he's got on the sidewalk.

I don't need to have it gone over in the thread if we want to move on, but it'd be nice to know how that turns out :D

Taras will be surprised to get anything. He's pretty sure his contribution amounts to little more than being underfoot and getting his blood on others. :D

How would you guys like to handle looting? I can simply assume standard search protocol (i.e. everyone makes a search check in every room) and post a list of everything portable, which of course is much quicker, or I can let you guys look around and poke in corners and things like that, which will take longer, but is more in character.

I'm also open to other options I haven't considered, if anyone has suggestions.

While I sympathize with the desire to Get On With It, I'm all for IC-searches like we just saw Taemin do.

I'd like it to keep going. It seems like a fun setting, so I'd like to explore it. PbPs are always glacial, so I'm fine with the pace.

imo, your willingness has never been in question. In fact, it's really you that I'm sorriest to disappoint. The rest of the players belong to my typical in-person gaming group, which is used to picking up and putting down games all the time.

The pace is glacial, but my worry is that it won't get better, and that the story I've written might very well exacerbate it. This scene we're in now would've been a five minute ordeal around a table, and has managed to be almost a month-long in PbP.

If people keep posting, I'll keep running - the thread's in my internet bookmarks. But it's disheartening to check in, day after day, and find that nothing's been added.

It doesn't help that Jackdaedalus has almost no free time anymore.

The group we've got and the story to be told seem like they'll be pretty great together. I just want it to happen is all, but I also don't want to sacrifice character development for the sake of pace. It's a hard balancing act, one that I really wasn't prepared for, despite being warned in advance that the games operate on geological time scales.

You can measure this game's pace in inches-per-year. I did not appropriately scale this game for a PbP, it's clear to me now.

I don't think anyone's so invested in this that they're going to die if others are going to pull out. Then again, I don't think the game takes up much of anyone's life anyway, so...

...I guess what I'm asking is if we still want to go through with the game. I'm game to keep going, but we haven't even actually gotten the party together yet.

Show of hands.

"Bharek...do you know if this vessel contained some sort of personnel locator system?"

"It... it did," the gnome piped up in his slightly nasal voice. "The main computer core isn't connected, though. None of the terminals worked." He gestured for emphasis at a ripped open section of the wall with hastily sawn off outlets and ripped away cord piping, then at a computer terminal and monitor that lay in the corner, open in the back and clearly gutted for parts to make the gnome's crude laser.

Call it forty bucks the lot. The blankets are dark green. Fix-a-flat is very hard to find good info about online. I cannot find out when it was invented, and have never lived in a country where it is for sale. If you think it was around in 1979, it is...

1970 Chevy Impala, 4dr. V8 automatic $595. Sounds perfect. You got Marlene to get the car and put it in storage. She parked it in her garage instead. She told you about doing so, during a visit about two years ago. she visits about every two months or so, when she goes out to Dutchess County anyway to visit her ex husband. He found Jesus and gin at roughly the same time, and could never handle her past.

Your contact list is great. One change will be that your mafia contact is an associate, not a made man. He is an associate of the Bonanno crew, and is working hard to get a button. He doesn't like Bonanno underboss Carmine Galante, even thogh he technically reports to him. He hates that money goes up the chain, but he never sees much coming back down.

I will put up the first post tonight.

This looks like it's going to be a gorgeous story. I'm one of Fatey's RL friends, so I'm curious to see how this all turns out, and was going to Bookmark the IC thread and keep up. Is the thread already made?

>.> I take it you only want four players? ;)