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Protection from undead has a duration of 1 minute/level.

You're correct that meticulous match is lacking a duration but my reading of the spell suggests to me that it should be instantaneous.

Thank you and agreed.

Protection from Undead
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I hate typos.

I was living over the many, many spells in this game and noticed that "Protection from Undead" has no duration listed. This is also true for "Meticulous Match", but that one is easy to surmise that it's probably instantaneous.

Anyway, does anyone know what the duration for "Protection from Undead" is?

I think a better answer is "Paizo isn't trying to write a legal text, everyone needs to accept that the wording is not going to be 100% consistent and precise".

You're right. But they're also putting out a professional product. A literal rulebook and supplementary products to build upon those rules. But those rules mean nothing if there's no clear answer. Not everything needs to be detailed, but the things that are should be consistent. I respect that the truth of these books is that they act more as guide books than rule books, but inconsistencies like these that cause contradictions when interacting with other elements of the game don't help. It's fine that they're prone to mistakes. I would just appreciate some clarity, not perfection. That's all.

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Whenever Paizo uses "as per" in their language, it's saying it functions as the referenced feature, but you don't actually gain it. This means that "as per the feat" says it functions the same as the feat, but you don't technically acquired the feat.

I love paizos worlds and the bucket of leggos we get to play with to make our roaving beings of galactic death, but consistency is not the halmark of paizos rulesets.

The only difference between the two that I'm aware of would be qualifying for adaptive fighting. For that my logic goes like this

Adaptive fighting has a very specific prerequisite.

If you count weapon proficiencies and specializations everyone qualifies.

If everyone was supposed to qualify for it they wouldn't have the pre requisites.

So those built in class features aren't meant to count.

I agree with you. That is all i have to say.

The weapon proficiency feats don't require you to have a weapon proficiency feat. They require proficiency with the weapon, regardless of hope you acquired it.

Advanced Melee Weapon Proficiency's prerequisite is "Proficiency with basic melee weapons." Not "Basic Melee Weapon Proficiency." Same goes for the Focus and Specialization feats. All of these feats are one method of acquiring proficiency/specialization with a weapon type, but not the only.

On a side note, if an ability grants you an additional proficiency via a bonus feat (such as Battleflower Training), unless it states you also gain specialization at a given level, you don't. However, if an ability grants you proficiency without it being a feat (such as Operative's Arsenal), you gain specialization as long as that ability in question is tied to the class and not an archetype or something similar.

Anyway, i agree I'd like an FAQ and/or errata on this.

I think "as per the feat" on p. 59 is just a reminder that Weapon Specialization is a feat. The class entries make it clear that it's intended to be a bonus feat. I don't see that as contradicting the "as per the feat" line.

Whenever Paizo uses "as per" in their language, it's saying it functions as the referenced feature, but you don't actually gain it. This means that "as per the feat" says it functions the same as the feat, but you don't technically acquired the feat.

At least, that's how I've always read and understood it. I know Paizo can be inconsistent with the use of their language, at times.

I noticed that every class entry of Weapon Specialization says you gain Weapon Specialization as a BONUS FEAT. However, on pg. 59 in the Weapon Proficiency and Specialization entry, it says you gain it AS PER THE FEAT.

Which is the intended method? I imagine "per the feat" is, but yeah.

Gotta say, I'm not feeling this draft. The concept is great, the execution is lack luster. The progression of what's essentially your subclass (the Niche) is disappointing. Gaining an ability at 1st, 10th, and 20th lvs only? That's too slow and barely impactful. I think it'll be cool if you can choose a typing and occasionally gain benefits based on that choice in addition to the more broad benefits that the Niche provides. Make your choice more meaningful and impacting.

The discount to augmentations is neat, but it makes it feel like the class is shipping you an incomplete product and expecting you to buy the remaining piece. Instead of shipping everything to you, and you just need to assemble it at no extra cost.

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I've also been having the same problem with Near Space. I'm very much looking forward to this product and giving paizo my money.

I had place my order of Starfinder: Near Space last Monday (3/16/2020), and it has since been processed as Completed with a $0 charge and no product listed. I understand this to mean i won't be getting my copy of the book. Why did this happen and do I need to reorder the book?