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Well.. you started calling older books racist :) Which I believe is dumb on so many levels.. ununanced and stereotypical yes and from the 'explorers perspective'.. but the big R-word I use differently than you I guess. I was just hoping for nuanced depictions of other cultures down the Lost Omen line ( Cheliax) as we seemingly get now from Mwangi. And yes I do believe that The Pathfinder Society at my table is treated with nuance not as an 'all light, good and happy' society but filled with greed and desire for magical objects, explorations and fame like the explorers of old. That is untill we get the 'bad evil' society explained in detail, which I similarly hope we get (Aspis Consortium). I do believe I have responded in good faith in this thread and I am grateful for especially Michael's explanation of the new tone of the Lost Omen line. But seemingly you can't discuss such issues without devolving to flaming and 'not responding in good faith' arguments. Well that's it from me anyway..
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Well thats not what I said (not sure why you quote me for that?).. I think any attempt to try to treat or compare Mwangi to Africa is going to be problematic on so many levels and trying to fix that in a rpg setting is bound to fail ( it seems that is the comparison you are making).. Looking forward to seeing how Mwangi has changed in this iteration though. Still seems like a fun region to establish a good conflict in :)
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I wholeheartedly agree Michael. But I still think racism (if you want it in your game) can be an experience the 'in-game' character can experience. The experience of racial bias in a diverse world as Golarion is perhaps even more likely and offers a lot of options (for the GM) to introduce that in the setting, where you are not just judged by the color of your skin, but by feathers, teeth and claw (and height!)... If the GM and the player table see fit to introduce such themes ofcourse.. The Mwangi-characters in the game I am GM'ing will have a hard time in Cheliax and similar nations and will experience racism and so will some ancestries....
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Ty for the response. Just to reiterate it was an observation not a critque regarding the tonal shift in the Golarion setting. We as GM's can always set the tone, mold the world how we see fit. Was just curious about the new direction. Thank you for clarifying that Michal Sayre. But to say the other setting was racist as keftiu blatantly suggests.. well.. I wouldn't bring out such big conceptual guns concerning a roleplaying material but that is just me... I reserve the racist concept to serious discussions not rpg forums and the like. I am sure the authors of the previous material had no such agenda in their minds when they wrote their stuff.
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No intention at all to start a racist thread or anything the like. I just look at my Lost Omen line products (Mwangi haven't arrived in Denmark yet) and see a difference to the campaign setting of Golarion of 1ED. Just the art seen from the Mwangi book is very different than previous depictions....
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