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Metamagic: At what spell level does the spell count for concentration DCs, magus spell recall, or a pearl of power?

The spell counts as the level of the spell slot necessary to cast it.

For example, an empowered burning hands uses a 3rd-level spell slot, counts as a 3rd-level spell for making concentration checks, counts as a 3rd-level spell for a magus's spell recall or a pearl of power.

In general, use the (normal, lower) spell level or the (higher) spell slot level, whichever is more of a disadvantage for the caster. The advantages of the metamagic feat are spelled out in the Benefits section of the feat, and the increased spell slot level is a disadvantage.

Heighten Spell is really the only metamagic feat that makes using a higher-level spell slot an advantage instead of a disadvantage.

—Pathfinder Design Team, 10/18/13

You grew up on one of the wayang-populated islands of Minata, and your use of magic while hunting has been a boon to you. Select a spell of 3rd level or below. When you use this spell with a metamagic feat, it uses up a spell slot one level lower than it normally would.

How does the Wayang Spellhunter trait work with the part about:

Take a 3rd level spell like Fireball as your choice. When you cast it with a +1 metamagic would it be considered 4th level and thus no longer be a vaild choice for the trait?

Or better yet cast it with a +2 metamagic so that even with the use of one slot level less for the trait. Is the spell considered 4th or higher level and invalidates itself for use of the trait? Thus not allowing the trait to be used?

As I understand it....

In a tier 1-7 game, there are subtiers 1-2, 3-4 and 6-7. For the sake of convenience, let's say that they pay out 500, 1000 and 2000.

A level 1 playing in 3-4 or a level 3 playing in 1-2 would receive 750.

A level 4 playing in 6-7 or a level 7 playing in 3-4 would receive 1500.

A level 1 can never play in 6-7, nor cam a level 7 play in 1-2.

This is how I hope it is.

The Out-of-Subtier gold value is the average of the high and low subtiers.

Low being 1-2 and High being 6-7. Taking your example the avg would be 1250 for out of tier gold for everyone.

A level 1 playing in 3-4 or a level 3 playing in a 1-2 would receive 1250

A level 4 playing in 6-7 or a level 7 playing in a 3-4 would receive 1250

As you can see with this example, just going by the RAW of the guide you get more money than both the lower tiers reward in the first example.

I see obvious problem with this and was why I asked for some clarification on this matter.

Barbain wrote:

I may of missed it but how does the Out-of-Subtier Gold work with 1-7 Scenarios?

Is it the average between the 1-2 tier and 6-7 tier?

OR something else?

The appropriate value would be the average of the character's native subtier and the subtier actually played, or the two subtiers surrounding the character's level, if they fall into the "dead range".

In the case of a tier 1-7:
* A level two character playing subtier 3-4 would average subtiers 1-2 and 3-4.
* A level six character playing subtier 3-4 would average subtiers 3-4 and 6-7.
* A level five character would average subtiers 3-4 and 6-7, regardless of subtier played (note that they can still only play subtiers 3-4 and 6-7).

Thanks Starglim and SCPRedMage for responses.

This is what I figured to be the case, but it is not brought into account in the guide and this would be a consern for all Specials(Race for the Runecarved Key, Siege of the Diamon City, etc) that have clearly more than just 2 tiers to choose per scenario and no clear cut low tier and high tier.

I hope this too will be addressed in an update for clarity.

I may of missed it but how does the Out-of-Subtier Gold work with 1-7 Scenarios?

Is it the average between the 1-2 tier and 6-7 tier?

OR something else?