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Its not dumping unless you go below 10 pre racial. If you leave it at 10 you're not a filthy power gamer.

What i'm saying is that I don't even believe the guy who says he did it could have pulled it off without grossly misinterpreting the wish of a pit fiend.

I'm not interested in trying to do it. IMHO it hasnt even been done yet.

You know. I get it. Its a great build. Its a fun thought experiment. If there were a 26 mile marathon of evards black tentacles between this character and the top 6 worst enemies the system has to offer, clearly this character will win that race with his hands tied behind his back... Fantastic. Golf clap.

But does it stand up to scrutiny? Does this guy seriously think he can shrug off a pit fiend's wish? I don't have to tell you how it can be done. I can sure has heck say that shrugging off a wish from a pit fiend isnt going to be as smooth as this guy indicates.

Not in any game I run anyway. If the maximum power of the wish spell is 'whatever wont accomplish a dang thing at all' then he shouldnt even need to worry about being so awesome. If his gm rules that a wish spell from the smartest most powerful evil being hell has to offer cant slow him down then I dont know that anything should even consider standing in his way. In my opinion thats not a legitimate ruling on how wish works. I'd be hard pressed to find a gm who looked at the pit fiend fight and just threw in the towel. "Yep. He's bad@ass. I guess we can all go home now."

The strawman in this scenario is specifically the wish. This guy gives you 5 examples of wishes that wouldnt work and assumes by extension that no wish would work... it's like saying 'these 7 fat men can't outrun my dog, therefore my dog is faster than every person on the planet! Might help you sleep better at night but doesn't make it true.

I dont place value in being able to build megadamage unkillamonsters. This is not what gaming means to me. But this guy pretends he has no achilles heel and his handling of a wish implies that even wish spells are impotent to curb his wrath. Well if there isnt a wish in the universe that can even slow...

YAYES! Hallalooyer can I get amen! Optimizing optimizers of optimizer land. Nice way of pointing out rodent whiskers, bucked fore teeth and penchants for putrid, pus ridden provolone CHEESE!

A human fighter 15 pb can easily start with a 17 Str, 13 dex and 14 Con. WITHOUT any 7s,8s,or 9s. At fourth level, eighth, twelfth level you can increase those higher physical stats. Assuming the rules are followed you can use wbl to go EVEN HIGHER. Why do you need to dump stats? Are you a greedy filthy glory seeking CHEESE MONGER! You can be powerful without stat dump and balanced. GM's usually like balance.

Why? What are your intentions? Imo you've already antagonized your gm with this for many levels and he is giving you a hint. He's also part of the problem and should be more careful what to allow and what putrid oily pus ridden CHEESE ought get Smote by the F~@#ING BANHAMMER! Kids don't exploit your gm and the raw.

It's all a bad attempt at Politics 101: trying to obfuscate the issue and hide something negative by rewording things to language that makes it sound less bad.

Its not an exploit, its a "tactic" just like using the throw in Street Fighter. It's not broken, if you can't handle it then ur all just haterz and can't handle my "uber build".

It's obviously an exploit and using something like that is just plain munchkining. Having to go through all those hoops to do something that is clearly not obvious (and the Devs wouldn't have considered) to do something to break the mold of obvious limitations of a class.

There is a reason why Wizards/Sorcerers have limitations of spells/known and the limitation of having to spend to get spells or carry those spells around with you. There is a reason why you only go up 1 ability score per 4 levels and its expensive for items to increase that.

Trying to break the game with loopholes and then trying to rephrase it isn't fooling anyone.

Matt I know you have more tendency toward power gaming than some but I agree with what you said above. Glad you at least are aware of the problem and the symptoms.

Oh! Well, if that's the term we're using, then yes - 'uber' characters are savants who stand around waiting for their specialty to become important. Which is why so many Pathfinder 'ubers' are specialists in applied violence: if they were playing Butler: The RPG they'd dedicate 100% of their build to housekeeping, domestic administration, and dining room etiquette.

And Jeeves would be a GMPC. ;)

OK even I will admit...that's

I smell corruption in this thread...are we theory crafting or is someone looking for advice on being a filthy oily power gaming break monster?

Let's just say, with the stat and feat distribution, do most people consider that as powergaming? I've seen plenty of players in real sessions dump stats to 7 or worse (like 5 with penalties) all the time but I get flack for putting something to 8 -_-

At this point, I'm making a new character to avoid the 'powergaming' stigma, so I'm making a rogue so there's no way I'm overpowered lol

Admirable... one stat at 8 after racial, everything else at least 10 , most in the 14-16 range maybe one 18 post racial should be no cause for further accusation. If they whine at that, you shouldn't take it.

Whining or not my thoughts on the matter are clear. Group fun>personal special snowflake\player self entitlement. Saddens me that the small minority of of player base that post here advocate such behavior to the detriment of tables full of casual gamers looking to have fun and not feel inferior because min maxing would hurt their fun flavor character concept.