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Hi, can you please delete my account and all information, thank you in advance ^^


Thank you VRMH, now the feat is clear (to me).
Path of Prestige will be avaible from 16 of this month.


Please don't kill me wrote:
There is a prestige class called the Dawnflower Dissident that will do this for you. The only problem is that the book this is in will be released on the 16th of this month so unless you are subscriber you have to wait to see if that is what you where looking to do. Basically the class lets you make some opposed skill checks in order to hide the fact that you are casting a spell.

Really interesting!! What book is it?

VRMH wrote:
You're now forcing two checks on the audience to notice you're casting spells. If you fail your Perform check, your Sleight of Hands may still save the day.

Cool!!

PRD in relation to Sandman Bard wrote:
Dramatic Subtext: [...] The bard must use this performance for at least 2 rounds before casting a spell; otherwise he is automatically detected and the performance ends.

What does it mean? I dont' understand

Bigger Club wrote:
Is this so that you can cast a spell so nobody knows who cast the spell or that nobody knows that a spell was cast in the first place?

The first. The second is more difficoult!!

Bigger Club wrote:

Reach Spell.

Didn't see anyone yet mentioning that in relation to the touch spells.

Interesting...now I'm also thinking about Spectral hand!


Thank you for the hints!

Alexandrina wrote:
Depends on what happens and the context I suppose. Most real life pick pockets work exactly this way. Of course if in a fight you touch someone in the face and their face starts to melt thats going to be hard to hide. But a friendly pat on the back and suddenly that person can't hit very well? Might just be bad luck

Obviously right, but the mechanic? A sleight of hand check? And how can you hide the light that shine from your hand? Maybe a stealth check?

Winterwalker wrote:
spells that have F and M means it has a focus or material components involved, a F is very hard to hide as that's usually a divine focus and you "present" that as part of casting the spell. As for the material components, you could take the feat called Eschew Materials and any component 1gp or less in value is not needed.

I have a doubt.

First, suppose a spell with F/FD components. I want to cast it. Do I need...
1)To pick up in my hand F/FD compontents and clearly show them to all
OR
2)It's sufficient to have F/FD components in a pocket-bag or similar?
Second, the same question for M components?
If possible, for this reply, give me a PRD reference: it's easier for me.


Where can I find the Rakshasa bloodline? Is it on PRD?


First, thank you very much! All these replies make me very happy, they have exceeded my best expectations!!
Sorry if I reply only now (in delay), I'm on holiday and I can use the PC only sometimes.
Now, my considerations to better understand the matter.
Generally, I understand that there aren't specific rules about this topic: good sense and DM are enough. This is my view.
To cast a spell on the sly, you need to use particular feats or to be in particular situations. In my personal opinion, bluff isn't enough.

0. Perfect for Bards, they can use Spellsong feat.

1. You cast spells on the sly when you cast spells without components.
S: You can use Still Spell.
V: You can use Silent Spell.
M/F: You can't cast on the sly if the components are cumbersome or big, like a mirror. The same if the components need particular procedures which are too evident. No problem if the components are on the sly (like inside a bag) or direcly on you (maybe a check to note that the component disappear if it was M). In middle cases, I opt for a bluff check. Eschew Materials is really usefoul.

2. Some spells are impossible to cast on the sly. For example: "ray of frost", "shout", "chill touch (even if you hold the charge, it'a a bit evident!) ", "magic circle against", "binding" - In these situations DM reign XD.

3. Ok for other situations like concealment.

If you want the situation in my precedent point 2, I think...

4. If person X is doing something like casting a spell*, you have to cast on the sly and - if you have success - simply make a bluff. In relation to X's features you can gain or not bonus/malus (is X a spellcaster? What is X doing?...etc.). If spellcasters identify the spell they can recognize if the cast was strange (e.g. X was still but cast a spell that usually require S components or maybe X was in movement but the spell dont' require S components; the same for something strange about M or F components) but nothing more (maybe X use Still Spell). Spells that aren't "castable" on the sly can't be use in this way.

*(This is what people that are deceive believe to see in X)
For only S components X need to be in movement. (But the bluff check, generally, is really more difficoult)
For only V, X need to casting a spell in the same moment or you need Ventriloquism or something like this. (But the bluff check, generally, is a bit more difficoult)
For V+S, all of two. (No malus on bluff check)
For M/F no problem.

5. If X is doing something like a normal conversation you can't try.

About casting time...

6. You can cast on the sly only spells with a casting time less or equal to a full-round. More than a full-round require a bigger concentration and people aren't stupid.

windquake wrote:

I created a custom feat called Spell Obfuscation which allows a caster to mix the somatic and verbal components into everyday language and gestures. So you can talk to someone, and using that feat, make normal conversation and gestures and cast the spell.

It added +1 to the level of the spell, and required a Bluff check by the caster, opposed by the Sense Motive of those around. Those that made the perception knew something was going on, but only those with Spellcraft could attempt to figure it out.
Would that work for you?

Yes, I like it! In my opinion, however, it can't be add to similar feats like Secret Signs (the combination is too powerfoul!)

Ok, I have finish. Sorry for the lenght (and the english)!


Hi everybod! Just a quick warning: I'm Italian, I'm not able in english and this is my first message in the forum. I tryed to find a place where can I shortly present myself, like other forums, but I didn't find anything.
The question is long, the fulcrum is: "How can I cast spells on the sly?"
1A. I imagine that I need some particular feats to do this. Where can I find them? How do they work?
1B. Without these feats, can I use some skills to obtain the same resoult?
1C. Or, maybe, I need to combine skill checks and feats?
Moreover, I have some other questions about this topic:
2. I want to cast a spell on the sly. Furthermore I want that people near me believe that the person X (someone near me) has casted the spell, instead of me. Is it possible? How?
3. How can I hide the cast of some spells? For example, how can I hide the cast of "Ray of frost" (People can see my finger!!) or "Ghoul touch" (I need to touch you!!)?
4. Is there some complications if the spell require or not different components? There are spells without V and S components. But, principally, there are spells with F and M components. If these components are small I think no problem, but in the event of something big like a mirror?
5. Is there some complications if the spell casting time isn't "1 standard action"? I think that faster spells are favoured, while slower spells are disadvantaged.
I tried to find this topic in the core book, but I don't find anything. The same was for internet. If you have some references, please show me them!!
Thank you for the support.