And on that note, can a Palidin use "Corrupting Touch" on a foe and treat that foe as an evil outsider?
I think that only evil outsiders are evil outsiders, and that causing a creature to detect as an evil outsider wouldn't cause it to function as one in other respects. Additionally, I think a lot of DMs would houserule this ability to have the [evil] descriptor (even though it isn't a spell and doesn't have a field for descriptors).
That's an awesome idea, though, especially for any of those LN, Cuthbert-esque "too righteous for my own [Good]" paladin variants.
Editing fail.I`m confused about the Haunting Choir spell,
it seems to introduce a new precedent for spell areas:Isn`t there a discrepancy between this spell and how area spells usually work, e.g. Antimagic Field which centers it`s radius emanantion on an intersection? In this case, it justs says 30-ft. radius emanation in the Area line, but in the Description we learn there is a 10x10 area ocupied by the `choir` and anybody WITHIN 10` feat of the choir, i.e. FROM IT`S BORDERS, is affected, which is 5` further than if we simply relied on the Area line. Is this a problem?Haunting Choir
School necromancy [mind-affecting, pain]; Level bard 3
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S
Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Area
Duration concentration + 2 rounds
Saving Throw Will negates; Spell Resistance yes
You create a spectral choir and conduct its tortured, ghostly moans, deluding listeners into believing they are suffering the torments of the dead. , but they are intangible and do not interfere with creatures in any physical way, nor can they be attacked. experience wracking pain that causes them to take a –2 penalty on attack rolls, skill checks, and ability checks.
The spell clearly says that it creates a ghostly choir. The choir occupies space in a 10ft. cube. Their singing is an emanation effect, which centers on the choir itself at a distance of 30 feet.
The spell clearly says that it creates a ghostly choir. The choir occupies space in a 10ft. cube. Their singing is an emanation effect, which centers on the choir itself at a distance of 30 feet.Editing fail.I`m confused about the Haunting Choir spell,
it seems to introduce a new precedent for spell areas:Isn`t there a discrepancy between this spell and how area spells usually work, e.g. Antimagic Field which centers it`s radius emanantion on an intersection? In this case, it justs says 30-ft. radius emanation in the Area line, but in the Description we learn there is a 10x10 area ocupied by the `choir` and anybody WITHIN 10` feat of the choir, i.e. FROM IT`S BORDERS, is affected, which is 5` further than if we simply relied on the Area line. Is this a problem?Haunting Choir
School necromancy [mind-affecting, pain]; Level bard 3
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S
Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Area
Duration concentration + 2 rounds
Saving Throw Will negates; Spell Resistance yes
You create a spectral choir and conduct its tortured, ghostly moans, deluding listeners into believing they are suffering the torments of the dead. , but they are intangible and do not interfere with creatures in any physical way, nor can they be attacked. experience wracking pain that causes them to take a –2 penalty on attack rolls, skill checks, and ability checks.
You mean, it centers on the central intersection of the choir?
I don't think that's clear from the text (though if it were, then yes, the actual choir's area would be a superficial detail and this would be nothing out of the ordinary.
The spell doesn´t even say the choir´s cube is at the center of the emanation.
How you explained it is probably what went thru the writer´s and editor´s heads sub-consciously, but the rules don´t work like that.
You can´t have a Colossal Creature with an aura that instantly kills anybody who approaches within 10´ of the creature, but then claim that only applies from it´s central intersection, and thus doesn´t actually apply to much because the creature itself is occupying that area. This is the exact same relevant wording. ´(Distance) from an area´ means distance between borders of space they occupy in just about all other instances of the rules. Just like in real life, if I say ´stay 1 foot away from me´, if you try and enact your interpretation (and count the distance from my center point thru my non-existent pot belly), thus standing mere centimeters from my ´perimeter´, I´m not going to be amused.
Fundamentally, there isn´t any need to say ´Creatures within 30 feet of the choir´ in the description: The cube containing the choir can still be mentioned for whatever importance it has (perhaps actually stating it is at the center of the effect), but for the effects on the targets, it can just say ´creatures within the effect´ and rely on the Area line AS NORMAL SPELLS DO.
Director of Games
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So...
The choir takes up a 10' by 10'. Anyone within 30' of the choir (of their cube) is affected. The area line should probably say "see below" than what it currently does, but it is not terribly off.
Just trying to track down all the fuss.
Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing
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So if you have the spell up twice then you could move action attack with one spell and then move action attack with the other spell. This would leave you with a swift action and five foot step.
Or you could be mounted and have your mount move around while you direct the snapdragons.
I love this spell both for fluff and crunch, it will fit my Halfling Jinx Arcane Sorceress perfectly, as her magic tends to appear as colored light effects.
A 1st-level spell with long range which can target different creatures and which require Reflex saves is just perfect for the Jinxed Spell metamagic feat.