Nope, rogue with +31 to find traps. There’s a limit to how much damage you can do at range and he’s garbage in melee, but I’ve tried to make sure he’s up to the task for epic/mythic traps.
@Damiel: Well, with Morgrym and Ari at melee, it really wasn't necessary for him to be also. He does some pretty good ranged damage, obviously way better when he can apply sneak attack.
@Zahir: Not really. I say just roll with whatever you want. Now, if you rolled with Ranger, I'd go with Trapper archetype instead of Urban. Trapper you lose spells. Not sure how you feel about having them or not, but that's all you lose.
Urban leans more towards a community. There is no community in this AP. A lot of his abilities are based on communities. You'd be replacing normal Ranger abilities with ones you'll never really use.
I'd either go that route or the Greatsword Radiance guy. That'd be freaking cool. But that's just because I'd like to see that play out. But if you were to go Tempered Champion, you could use a longsword and still do 2d6 damage. And use it two-handed if you want.
It kinda kills the Greatsword Radiance bit if you went TC.
BUT, if it was me, I'd totally go TC if I were running a paladin. Totally. Plus, you can use LoH to use your Divine Bond ability more times. :) (I'm also NOT a big spell guy. I don't mind them, but I'm better without them. That's just gonna depend on your preference).
Ranger(Trapper)(ranged) or Paladin(TC)(melee) is the direction I'd go. But that's just me.
Or you can simply take over the paladin(Arigoder) or Damiel.
Like I say, whatever you feel works for you. The world is your oyster. :)
I will admit there are so many options now that I can’t keep up with all of them.
My suggestion has been and always will be find something you will have fun with. Everything will fall into place. There are ways to tweak combats if only 1 melee person…more spellcasting and ranged to spread out combat. traps can be added or subtracted based on the group. No rogue…only 2-3 traps to keep you on your toes but not to kill anyone.
Also at your level and mythic ability even death is just a small hindrance as you can be brought back to life. Magic and mythic abilities can cover Ora lot of deficits.
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LOL!!!
You should see Grumbaki's build. It's murderous, too. He's got a Dwarf Warpriest build. A melee demon destroyer. Pretty freaking nasty. A lot like what you got there. :P
It's not that much murderous. But it's still pretty murderous. :)
Hi everyone. I’ve got my build pretty much up, and in doing so I’ve been trying to tone it down. Decided to give the dwarf a tower shield and thus to go one handed, without shenanigans such as Unhindering Shield.
Each round he can do about 140 damage or so (160ish with sacred weapon). That seemed respectable enough, while fitting the feel of the mythic guardian (ie: heavily armored with a huge shield). I’m still tinkering with it…
With that said…I’m open to changes, and would shoot to make a character that fits into the feel and numbers for the party. Feedback is always appreciated.
(Also, as for a character outside of just numbers. This is an old dwarf. Strength 13, Dex 10. Him being able to hit these numbers is because he holds a hammer that gave him mythic powers. And ironically it stops him from aging, but does nothing to reverse his current age. This should make him be different than our resident dwarven barbarian)
This should make him be different than our resident dwarven barbarian)
Oh, dear, does older mean crankier? Because well…
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This should make him be different than our resident dwarven barbarian)Oh, dear, does older mean crankier? Because well…
;-)
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I would dump Furious Focus and choose another feat.
If you look at Mythic Power Attack, once you use a Mythic point for Power Attack, you lose ALL the minuses it gives you for 10 rounds.
That's a great Mythic feat to have. :)
Also, you have Mithral Chain shirt AND Full Plate. Just fyi.
As for the mithral chain shirt, you see, that’s my PJs!
Lad’s thinkin’, me boyo!
As for the mithral chain shirt, you see, that’s my PJs!
Lol! That is a new one on me. :D
Ah adventuring pajamas. I went for the most expensive kind. Mithral double-plated comfort glamered plate with steelbone frame.
Weighs 60lbs. +10 AC +1 Max Dex -0 ACP and “ Armor of comfort sheds dirt and sweat as they accumulate, and remains as comfortable as weather-appropriate clothing regardless of environmental conditions.
A suit of armor with this enhancement always looks immaculately clean, can be slept in as though it were light armor, and does not cause a penalty to the wearer’s saving throws to resist the effects of extreme heat. In cold weather, it counts as cold-weather clothing. In addition, the armor’s armor check penalty is reduced by 1 (to a minimum of 0).” glamered just lets it look like pajamas.
Meanwhile, my AC is 11.
I love this banter already!
Thanks for joining the group both of you.
Do you have any questions about where we are in the campaign or what the goals are? Anything in game that you would like to do before jumping in and meeting the group? I am fine with however you would like to be introduced as the 5th crusade has many newcomers all of the time. At your power level Queen Galfrey can even be your referral to join the party.
Other options are Arivashinal: Librarian and Rift Warden
Irabeth Tirabade: Commander of Drezen
Anevia Tirabade: Deep Scout
Horgus Gwerm: Financier of the 5th Crusade
Arueshalae: redeemed succubus
Also I try to tailor the encounters to the party to some degree to get a better mix of danger and heroics without them being cakewalks or tpks. With new additions and not sure myself about all the fancy new mechanics and rules you bring the first few encounters will be a learning curve for all of us so bear with me please.
Meanwhile, my AC is 11.
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I have a ton of questions, because I don't know where the group is, or what the goal is.
With that said, Just throw me into the mix, and give me a task. I'm NOT LG, I'm CG, so I'll do it for my own reasons, and not because some knightly order has directed me to do it.
And, umm, how did I get this Radiance thing?
The goal of this AP is to shut down the Demons from flowing in freely into Golarion. The opening is within the Worldwound.
In a nutshell, if we don't stop it, Golarion gets overrun by the Abyss and everybody dies. :)
Now, our previous paladin has Radiance currently. So, that's gonna be a Variel thing on how you get that.
I guess technically you don't have to have it. But I don't know. I don't know how important it is for you to even have it, to be honest.
If it’s set to become a +5 Holy sword,well, then what Paladin wouldn’t want it! In AD&D we’d do whole quests just for such a thing.
You're right about that. I love paladins and have played many - Javell(my absolute favorite pc) for one, being my RL paladin back in the day, and a few on the boards - but I've never wielded the Holy Avenger. Sure would've been cool. :)
Very glad to be here!
I see that we are about to assault the Ivory Labyrinth? While in PbP I seen Drezen retaken twice I’ve never gotten past that. But I’ve played the computer game so I’m not totally lost. Thurin is ready to be thrown in. By whatever way makes the most sense for the story.
The only question I have left to make is whether to replace furious focus with Blessed Hammer…
Quick test before I jump in. I find doing this helps ensure that the numbers are right and that the character works as intended. It also helps me find the voice for the character. Decided to hold off on Blessed Hammer. It feels like a good feat to build into as his mythic power grows.
Driven by visions, the old dwarf trudged forward through the wasteland that was once Sakoris. His weathered face was frozen in a grimace as the wind blew against it, forcing his long white beard to trail behind him. Once he was a single crusader among many. Four dozen strong, the crusaders had marched out into what was once a vibrant kingdom, a land blessed by the Stag God. Now all that remained were the burn out wreckages of the civilization, strewn about like corpses. The crusaders, who had sung songs of piety and victory as they marched out under streaming banners now all lay dead. Their bodies, like the ruins they had fought and bled in, were physical evidence of the downfall of man. All had died, except Thurin. And the paladin Dranok. Though he knew not where the half-orc was, as they had become separated in the storm.
Thurin knew that he only lived because of his hammer. It was blessed by the Forge Father, and just holding it filled his body with strength. Even in the flower of his youth he had never felt so full of vitality. Even in the great temples of High Helm he had never felt so close to his deity, for the hammer whispered to him. It was alive, in its own way. Watching. Judging. Demanding that he take one step after another. It held him to his oaths. With his hammer in hand he knew that he did not have permission to die. He had to find his kinsman. He had to find the Ivory Labyrinth. He had to fight. He had given his word, and to turn his back on it was akin to deciding not to breath.
Looking up he saw a demon blocking his way. Smaller ones chittered in the shadows, watching. Waiting. He knew that they would attack either him, their lord, or each other. It all depended on what happened. What stood in the open, before him, was a Balor.
Round 1
Casts blasphemy, moves forward
Passed, paralyzed 1 round. Freedom of movement prevents that.
Thurin uses swift action to use Sacred Weapon. Gains Keen and Holy.
The Balor walked forward, as confident as their kind could be. It pointed a finger and chanted words so blasphemous that merely hearing them would have destroyed a platoon of mortal crusaders. Thurin felt his muscles seize, as his very being recoiled against the words. But his God stood with him, and the enchantments on his equipment sufficed to block that which otherwise would have incapacitated him. His hammer glowed with a holy light. When he swung it, it hit the demon with enough force to shatter the gates of a fortress. It staggered backwards, horribly wounded. The demonic horde grew agitated, surprised at the turn of events. But they waited, sensing weakness, and thus personal opportunity.
Round 2
+1 vorpal unholy longsword +31/+26/+21/+16 (2d6+13),
+1 vorpal flaming whip +30/+25/+20 (1d4+7 plus 1d6 fire and entangle)
Sensing the danger it was in, the Balor lashed out with sword and whip. Ancient as he was, the dwarf merely raised his shield and weathered the assault.
—-Sacred Weapon Bonuses ——
Keen and Holy, good damage to attack above
Round 3
+1 vorpal unholy longsword +31/+26/+21/+16 (2d6+13),
+1 vorpal flaming whip +30/+25/+20 (1d4+7 plus 1d6 fire and entangle)
Heavily wounded, the demon attacked again and again. Sword struck shield. Whip wrapped around limb after limb. Flames snaked around the dwarf. And yet threw it all he stood, withstanding damage that should have killed him several times over. Before he had found the hammer it would have easily killed him, that he knew. But he was oathbound, and it would not let him die. There was strength yet within him, it could tell. Telepathically it filled his head with a command. It was as simple as it was emphatic. Kill. Kill all that stand in your way. Fulfill your oath.
—-Sacred Weapon Bonuses ——
Keen and Holy, good damage to attack above
All around him the demons began to move. They sensed blood. They were certain that their lord was to win, for who could survive such an assault? Surely not a mortal. Dozens upon dozens of lesser demons came in, their claws extended. Each wanted a piece. Each wanted to claim part of him, to rise up in their twisted hierarchy. The Balor roared in victory. But in doing so, it leaned in too close. Thurin had waited for just that opportunity. Once. He swung once with his hammer. The liquid steel swam, its currents exhilarating in what was to come. With a *crack* of holy power the hammer met forehead. Divine and unholy energies met in that moment. And then, like the roll of thunder the demon broke. Blinding light filled the air as reality itself seemed to buckler. The Balor exploded. It’s army screamed. Each demon screamed. Some in rage. Some in fear. Some in pain. The fire immolated them, the lessor ones vanishing, naught remaining but their shadows burnt into the ground.
Thurin groaned as he rose from the ground. He was not alone. Where there had been dozens of demons, now only a handful remained. None had been left unscathed by the explosion. His old body likewise groaned under the weight of years and wounds. But the hammer? The insistent command rung in his head like the ringing of a church bell. Kill. Kill then all.
He was oathbound to obey. Hammer and shield raised, Thurin continued the grisly task.
A few mistakes here and there in quickly running the fight. But Thurin beat the Balor, such as it was. Could have died (a single crit with vorpal would have done it, and even then he was down to 64 wounds. Freedom of movement was the biggest part of this win). But he lived up to the Guardian build I had planned.
I think he is good to go. Hopefully what was shown above is the ‘right’ power for this level with mythic.
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As for ranged weapons…perhaps cold iron javelins? Cheapest way to get some decent damage in at range. You won’t need to put away your sword to use them. Plus they look cool.
We could modify the backstory somewhat. Have the two of them be survivors of the same crusading force. Thurin survived because he came across his hammer during the expedition, which gave him mythic power. Dranok survived because he came across radiance, which did the same.
It would mean that we reach the party at the same time and why they know each other. And yeah, Thurin is just old, not grumpy. With +17 diplomacy, he is beyond things such as looking down on half-orcs or the like. If anything I’d say that he’d look fondly on Dranok, as the paladin would remind him of a friend he had in his youth. Thus being around the half-orc would simultaneously make him feel younger, while reminding him of how old he really is.