
Aggrammar Deepdelver |

On loot:
I say we keep the magic weapons then (GM suggestion... hint* hint*).
brvheart, can we assume to be back at Zelkor's Ferry, or..?
So... As per Sorek's accounting, Aggramar is 1863+271=1234 gold RICHER?! Wohoooo!!! That brings some happiness to his old bones! :D
Any ideas on 'communal' stuff we should get?
- Wand of CLW is currently at 46/50 which is not bad. We may equate getting another since we are about to start getting hit hard from now on, as it seems RA proper awaits? :P
- Condition removal items? Aggrammar is packing a couple of Remove Sickness scrolls, antitoxins and whatnot - any further ideas? He can always cast them 'kinda' on request, since I am leaving a slot open from all levels except the highest spell I can cast.

WabbitHuntr |

Another clw wand is probably a good idea. Just in case.
How about a wand of Touch of the Sea? At some point water has to come up in this dungeon and that will certainly help out you armored types.
And a wand of lesser Restoration & remove disease will be nice at some point. . But those are 2nd level wand and are too expensive for us right now
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WabbitHuntr |

Mojo looks good to me. Even better if you'll allow him to throw off his chains
And we've kept our wizard applicant waiting for some time now. . Can we accept him as well.? He's a versatile wizard who in addition to summoning will be blasting with fireballs (magical lineage fireball, dazing spell). And is taking craft wondrous as his 5th level feat. . Basically everything we need.
This way we can all conveniently meet in the ferry maybe at a..... Tavern? :p
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brvheart |

I have approved the revised Mojo, but am not real excited about the conjurer with no less than six summon monster spells and a create pit. And most of them are summon monster one so they will be just an annoyance in combat. Quite different than the evoker he was going to create.

Lars the Crusader |

If someone actually wants to summon monsters, they should make a summoner. Quite honestly wizards simply suck at it.
There are decent conjuration spells out there, the summon monster set is not among them at low level.

brvheart |

But then there is that broken Eidelon to deal with. I am going to reject this entry, sorry.

Lars the Crusader |

Actually if you restrict to the unchained summoner, it's not broken as they limited the customization a great deal. Also, if they are summoning critters via the spell, their eidolon cannot be present (unless of course you are insane and permit master summoners).

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Hello Everyone
Introductions would seem appropriate under the circumstances. I'm a 49 year old gamer living on an island in the English Channel with my two great kids and a lecturer for a wife. We are under licence to stay here for the next two years or so at least and it is a very idyllic place. I'm the house husband but I work in a large store and teach Maths privately as well.
Gamingwise I started young and despite a ten year hiatus in my twenties, I came back with a vengeance joining the TSR regional directorship programme in the RPGA. More recently I've written for Raging Swan Press but truthfully the publisher is a mate and we have gamed together. Presently I play in Rise of the Runelords on Mondays evenings and run a Viking style game on Thursdays.
Other than that I am avid Packers fan and support an equally successful soccer team too..
Happy to join your gang, brvheart.
Cheers
P.S. Most of my posting was between 2007 and 2010 when I had babies to look after and plenty of spare time. From eight games I am down to two now - much more manageable.

Aggrammar Deepdelver |

Welcome aboard French Wolf - good to have an 'old school' rogue on board.
I haven't been playing as long as you have but almost, and I don't play as nearly as much as you do now (apart from the unbalanced number of games I am in, that I keep promising to tone down :P).
So... Would it be rude to ask what you have written for Raging Swan Press?

brvheart |

Welcome French Wolf even if you are a Packers fan. Go Bears! Hey, my wife is a cheesehead, sort of anyway. She was born in Wisconsin.

brvheart |

I have Villainous Pirates, well done! You never know, you may see some of it later in the game:) Yes, there are some pirates in RA for those that think it is all a dungeon delve, just most of it! About 20% is wilderness adventures.

Sorek |

Welcome French Wolf! Sorek is looking forward to taking point with you. Although looking at your stealth score WOW you're probably going to need plugs in your ears with the amount of noise Sorek will be making next to you.
I've been rping since 1rst ed but I can't call myself old-school. I like multiclassing and trying new exotic options. In fact I don't think I've ever had a character who was just one class.
@brvheart the purchase limit in the ferry is 1000gp.
A) Can Sorek buy a Cloak of Resistance +1?
B) if yes, can it be a vest of resistance? I simply hate the idea of getting all tangled in a cloak when I do spinning back kicks

Sorek |

No... Stealth hasn't really come in to play here. Kinda hard to sneak up on something when you have to open a door to get to it.
I'm a big fan of stealthy reconnaissance to give time to prepare intelligent tactics. But the dungeon hasn't been conducive to that thus far.
Luckily the d20pfsrd is here to make it very easy to level up your rules-Fu. I'm a big fan of all the options. But it can be a lot to sift through at times.

Lars the Crusader |

There is some rules bloat certainly. I still haven't even picked up the Occult book yet. Usually I'm more on top of that stuff.
The new Weapons Master players option book is good though. Quite helpful to fighters (who need it).

Sorek |

There is some rules bloat certainly. I still haven't even picked up the Occult book yet. Usually I'm more on top of that stuff.
The new Weapons Master players option book is good though. Quite helpful to fighters (who need it).
I've looked at the Occult book meh.. I simply prefer Dreamscarred Press Psionics over what it offers.
Haven't checked out the Weapon Masters book yet. But have heard good things..It probably does for Fighters what Unchained did for the Rogue which was to update the class to make it competitive with the power level of the more recently released classes

Lars the Crusader |

I'm generally of the opinion that psionics are broken as hell, so I will give the Occult book a looksee.
It's funny that the fighter upgrade is in a fairly small splatbook, but they are pretty nice. The fighter gets good stuff without giving up too much for a change. They leverage the weapon mastery mechanic to give nice toys.

brvheart |

Just what we need, more power creep:( This was why I cut off 3.5 once PHP II was released. It became two different games at that point.

Lars the Crusader |

I don't see this as being power creep since it just brings the fighter slightly closer to being up to snuff. Before this, fighters were well behind the curve in power among the martials.
I had a home game in which there was an optimized barbarian and optimized fighter at 14th level. They both got confused and tore into each other. The fighter got swatted like a bug.
It is possible the occult stuff is over the top, but again, I've yet to see for myself.
Paizo does have a pretty good track record about avoiding power creep IMO. Yes, there is some, but not too much. Honestly they are probably worse about adding dead end trap options than power creep.

Sorek |

Yeah they do add a lot of trap options. But they have also been hitting some things HARD with the nerf bat for example...
Pummeling Strike lost it's ability for all hits to become a crit if one crit succeeded (which I am totally fine with, it was too much)
Magus lost access to the swashbuckler deed Precise Strike (I have a black bladed kensai who is still crying over this)
So some things get nerfed and others like fighter and rogue get buffed. Don't really think that's power creep.....maybe power leveling

Mojo Sniffagem |

Int: 1d20 + 1 ⇒ (10) + 1 = 11
Int: 1d20 + 1 ⇒ (19) + 1 = 20
I loved the beguiler and I still have one alias from my first pbp game on these boards. Alas the game died after a year or so - too many large fights.
I do trust Paizo still, APG was a masterful addition in my book. However the sheer choice now makes me wish they had stopped there. Having said that I have listed Occult for Christmas. Got to feed the obsession.
Cheers

brvheart |

You can come in gameplay coming into Zelkor's Ferry at the dock.

brvheart |

yes please. Zelkor's Ferry is a small hamlet. More of an outpost on the frontier.

Myrick of Muir |

Traveling. The Internet cable service went down locally today. I look forward to getting on wifi tomorrow night.

Sorek |

@Aggrammar enjoy the vacation. I will try to save you some of this ale for when you get back. Although it might be difficult to prevent Lars from drinking it all.
@Myrick amazing isn't it how much we depend on the net? It would be interesting to see where everyone places a stable net connection on Maslow's Hierarchy of Need .

Sorek |

current rope amount
lars 50
sorek 150
myrick 50
mojo 50
=300ft how much more should we bring?
party items to buy?
2 folding shovels 10gp 12lbs
more silk rope
climbers kit for each of us 80gp 5lbs
kit, breakers 353gp 40lbs
Go to kits and equip..
for Sorek
earplugs 3cp
goggles, smoked 10gp
any other thoughts suggestions?

Lomyldyr Dweo-Mercraeft |

Lomyldyr will also buy and will carry 50' of rope. It's always good to have antitoxin and alchemist fire.

Sorek |

Shopping List
party items
climbers kit 80gp 5lbs x6=480gp
CLW wand 750gp
2 folding shovels 10gp 12 lbs x2=20gp
kit breakers 353gp 40lbs
silk rope 50ft 10gp 5lbs x4=40gp
1 heavy pick 8gp
1 light pick 4gp
total=1655/6= 276gp per person
this brings our rope total up to 500ft, is everyone ok with contributing to these party items? Any alterations suggestions?
Items for Sorek
earplugs 3cp
goggles, smoked 10 gp
smoke pellet, smog 40gp -x5= 200gp
antiplague 50gp - x5=250gp
antitoxin 50gp - x5=250gp
holy water 25gp 1lb x5=125gp
alkali flask 15gp 1lb x5=75gp
alchemical solvent 20gp 1/2 lb x5=120gp
alchemists fire 20gp 1lb x5=120gp
total lbs 17.5
total 1,151gp
@brvheart all of these items are found in the link below on d20pfsrd are they acceptable?
Go to alchemical stuff

Sorek |

An IOU is fine for anyone that doesn't have the funds available right now. Sorek is feeling pretty flush right now.
Sorek has climb +5 and survival +6 but he can't put any more ranks into those as all his ranks will be needed in other areas to qualify for his prestige class

Sorek |

yes we do or as Mojo said some "god donkeys"
unfortunately a CLW wand is the biggest baddest magic item that this backwater can produce and that's him being generous
At 5th lvl according to Lomyldyrs level progression plan in his character sheet he will be taking Craft Wondrous. With that he could craft a Bag of Holding and we wouldn't have to worry encumbrance, having enough sacks to carry loot in etc...We could bring a thousand damn feet of silk rope :P
Our characters are only 2k experience points away from 5th level. We could go back into the nearby dungeon, go down one more level,collect a little more loot, and level up to 5th. Come back to town, Craft a bag of Holding, maybe cloaks of resistance +1 for those that don't have them and then take on Rappan a little better equipped.
Any thoughts on this? I'm good either way.

brvheart |

Shopping List
party items
climbers kit 80gp 5lbs x6=480gp
CLW wand 750gp
2 folding shovels 10gp 12 lbs x2=20gp
kit breakers 353gp 40lbs
silk rope 50ft 10gp 5lbs x4=40gp
1 heavy pick 8gp
1 light pick 4gptotal=1655/6= 276gp per person
this brings our rope total up to 500ft, is everyone ok with contributing to these party items? Any alterations suggestions?
Items for Sorek
earplugs 3cp
goggles, smoked 10 gpsmoke pellet, smog 40gp -x5= 200gp
antiplague 50gp - x5=250gp
antitoxin 50gp - x5=250gp
holy water 25gp 1lb x5=125gp
alkali flask 15gp 1lb x5=75gp
alchemical solvent 20gp 1/2 lb x5=120gp
alchemists fire 20gp 1lb x5=120gptotal lbs 17.5
total 1,151gp
@brvheart all of these items are found in the link below on d20pfsrd are they acceptable?
Go to alchemical stuff
The only items available at Pye's are from the CRB so no smoke goggles, antiplague or smoke pellets. Check over the sources of the others please.

brvheart |

We need bags of holding
Hence the need for sacks and masterwork backpacks. Now it did take a lot of searching, but my last party pulled out a Type IV out of RA! They called it the mack truck! Treasure in RA is not an issue. Spending it and living to spending it are! Learn to craft. They would spend three to four months on down time. At level four most of my parties had a wagon and horses for gear, but you are going underground. Think of mundane alternatives.

Sorek |

sorry. not used to worrying about sources. I only play online nowadays and so my only source is d20pfsrd.com with occasional glances at archivesofnethys.
Go to Paizo Inc.. luckily the d20pfsrd is good about listing sources see below
prg:ue earplugs 3cp
APG goggles, smoked 10 gp
PPC:DunHb smoke pellet, smog 40gp -x5= 200gp
apg antiplague 50gp - x5=250gp
crb antitoxin 50gp - x5=250gp
holy water 25gp 1lb x5=125gp
apg alkali flask 15gp 1lb x5=75gp
PC:AA alchemical solvent 20gp 1/2 lb x5=120gp
crb alchemists fire 20gp 1lb x5=120gp

Lomyldyr Dweo-Mercraeft |

yes we do or as Mojo said some "god donkeys"
unfortunately a CLW wand is the biggest baddest magic item that this backwater can produce and that's him being generous
At 5th lvl according to Lomyldyrs level progression plan in his character sheet he will be taking Craft Wondrous. With that he could craft a Bag of Holding and we wouldn't have to worry encumbrance, having enough sacks to carry loot in etc...We could bring a thousand damn feet of silk rope :P
Our characters are only 2k experience points away from 5th level. We could go back into the nearby dungeon, go down one more level,collect a little more loot, and level up to 5th. Come back to town, Craft a bag of Holding, maybe cloaks of resistance +1 for those that don't have them and then take on Rappan a little better equipped.
Any thoughts on this? I'm good either way.
Sounds good to me. I'm happy to craft whatever the group needs.