Do we on the Dawn know what is going on?
On the Dawn you only know about the wide system broadcast, not the discussion the AI is having with Ceres/Ziirkaa/Vathan.
sorry I posted the same thing twice but needed to spell check it and add some stuff. Now all done :)
The T20 system doesn't really lend itself to retraining entire careers. However, you'll all be leveling up shortly, and you can absolutely take a new level in Navy going forward. (Not to spoiler anything, but let us just say that everyone is likely to be either inducted into the navy, a newly created marine corp, or the resurrected Merchant Marine branch).
No love for the scout service? ;)
Requires a LOT more infrastructure than Telthani has to maintain one of those.
Happy to take a level of SPACE MARINE!!
@Annara, hey, I'm not sure what your last post was in reference to. I was going to post telling you about the info dump vid we just were described, but your big post before that made me think that you already knew about it in character.
Sorry she ment from the crew not the ship, should have made that clear
Post transmission, can they still dock with station etc
Ah, cool.
Dr. Ziirkaa does not do subtext...
I love Dr. Ziirkaa. : )
My apologies on my limited posting, but the posting rate on this has far exceeded my bandwidth (and skill in creative writing, perhaps). Also, I currently feel that Fernán has somewhat limited stake in, or control over, current events as an outsider and a commoner. I'm sure I can find an angle to work later on, but I'm not seeing it at the moment.
No problem Fernan, I'm sure you can wedge something in now.
Ok, so, the planet is jumping ahead about 4 years. You can all use the 'background' system again to level your characters up one level. You can't do more than four years though. However, due to your celebrity, everyone receives a +1 social status, or +2 if your social status is below 10.
Marines are now available as an option.
If you transfer to Navy or Marines from either Navy or Army, you can transfer your existing rank under the emergency procedures they have in place.
Anyone who hadn't had a chance to get their class feats due to lack of space access obviously has them now.
You may also go back to school, if you wish. Automatic acceptance to any valid class is available due to status as heroes for going to the derelict.
If you get more experience than it takes to go ot the next level, you stop halfway up the next level. If you don't gain enough to reach the next level, you are at the minimum for the next level.
You may ask any questions you want here in Discussion, both about the data packets or character advancement or what's going on on the planet for background and to inform choices.
I will go for marines.
Acceptance auto
Raid!
v 6 - mishap, no xp
v 6 - MCG (Medal for Conspicuous Gallantry) 4000 XP
- no further action
OK, well I need to come up with something good for all of that...
stamina - a little better, now that i remembered to roll the correct dice.
Just a note, as soon as you hit the no survival, you lost all xp (including bonus), commission, and promotion chances.
You do, however, gain access to a decoration roll (DC 4).
I suggest you were injured in an attack on the Marine Training center by a group of extremists who wanted to shut down the undertaking to go extra-system.
Can Vathan go OTC Marines in the four years? Would that just be University for the four years?
He mustered out of the Army as an E2.
He became an O2 in Professional, so I thought if went Marines he would start at E2, right? Which is why I ask about OTC.
thanks
Ok, leveling up in Navy
Navy
University
Mustering Out
Summary
Stats
Ability Score: Increasing Int to 20
Favored Class Bonus: 1 Skill point
Base Attack: +1 (Total +1)
Will +1 (Total +3)
Class Bonus Feat: Damage Control
Professional Skill Focus: T/Mechanical
Skills ()
Ok, I'll post up my history later in the other thread.
Oh, we can attend uni in parallel with our career? And auto acceptance? Hmmm...
v 12 :) education is still for suckers
Yeah, it least it seems like it, though if you level up while in University then you are limited in what classes you can take (I know Academic and Professional are in there). Also, there is the time thing. School takes time...
I just figured since I got 'Training' as my assignment, and that it would make sense for the Navy to farm out researching these new technologies and their applications to the University, that it would also make sense for the Navy to send me to University for technical training.
Yes, you can go to the University and do OTC for Marines.
Bachelor takes 4 years. 3 if you roll good.
You can a level of Marine or Navy or Army for the OTC, assuming you get in. If not, you are restricted to Academic or Professional.
Ophilia, Navy term is 4 years, Masters at University is 2. So you can't do both. You can have been at the university training, but you don't get to do the university rolls too, only the Navy ones. Alternately, you can go to University instead, so it's your choice. If you go with the University, you can go back again for another 2 years for a PHD if you like.
You'd be limited to Academic or Professional level for going to university.
Paths, lets mix it up.
Noble 1 to 6, Marine 7 to 12 Army 13 to 18 Academic 19 to 20
Yes the all new space Marine core
Duty raid! seems her Ladyship and
Fernán Miguel Gómez went on the same raid.
So how did she do on it.
Survive DC6 She lived
Commissioned DC8 Yes - Rank - Lieutenant
Promotion DC6 Yes - Rank - Captain
Decorated DC4 Yes [MCUF]+2000Xp
Exp Bous DC4 Yes
x 1000xp
Mustering out.
Cash
10,000Cr
Other
Weapon
Using feat for PSI-Talent -> Telepathy
War needs its hero's and once the news casts and book signing where over, Lady Annara Utoxier-Lee was informed that rather than conscripting her into the new space Marines, the powers that be would like her to do her duty and sign up. Becoming a poster person for space Marines recruitment.
One of the Hero's that changed history
Bravest of the brave.
With little chose on the matter she signed up and off to Boot camp she went.
Her family was running now a number of new business arming and making the tech needed for the new mission. She was of a new type of Marine, the PSI-Trooper and that she did care about.
The 1st time out on a raid it all went pare-shaped, but for the actions of Fernán Miguel Gómez and herself, they shifted what would have been a blood bath of Marines into a victory. She how ever was not happy. At the hearings after the raid, it was her and her singled out for promotion and distinction. When all along she knew it was Gómez who has seen the trap. Gómez who had lead the counter attack and Gómez pushed aside.
Stamina
It appears I am now Sir Agamemnon Kuuankashku Ziirkaa PhD...
@mdt: From an in world perspective, which would be an easier path to exploring this brave new world...Academic or Navy?
My preference is academics, but it seemed like you implied we would have to join a service for the next phase. I assume Traveller is still not an option.
sorry stamina is 1d10 not 1d6
So Annara, Vathan and Gómez
All ended up in the Marine, Annara was drafted, Vathan and Gómez signed up.
On A side not Annara over the last 4 years has dropped the use of Her Ladyship and taken the her Rank in its place. Only when she really has to dos she use the Title Lady. But this did not stop the troops calling her
"Her Ladyship" behind her back.
@Vathen
Annara will meet with you after things cool off and say there is no hard feelings. When you make it clear to her you don't want your old job back, She pays you 2000Cr severance pay and gives you a glowing letter of Refinance. She also tells you she's Been Drafted Signed up for the Marine.
Vathan she also feels like she let you down, letting you go like that.
She feels obliged to your PC as well.
@Gomez
Once you tell her your signing up to the Marine like her, she pays you 2000Cr severance pay and gives you a glowing letter of Refinance.
Once in she pulls some stings to get you into her platoon.
In the Raid you saved her life, she now owes you big time.
The sad thing was she was called the Hero and got promotion and you got just a medal, but she knows it was you that saved the day not her. Now the tables are turned and she feels obligated to you. Honour means a lot to a noble
How dos that sound for a back plot for you PC. hehe.
GM I will take the 4000Cr off my PC.
Annara Utoxier-Lee is a changed woman 4 years on, one failed mirage to a Vid-Star whos addition to Drugs lead to his early death, all wile she was in the Marines. The Press pack hounding her.
3 years as a poster woman for the new Marines with little action until the Raid on the Camp. Her being lorded as hero in the press wile in the ranks many know it was Trooper Gomez did more then was said.
She is harder, harsher, more world wise, there is less pomp about her.
Shes not the little Girl who needed body Guards any more.
Going for another round of Navy then : ) Holding off an academic career until we can get to a 'better' place, where Ceres can stop being a backwaters hick^^
Total Exp gain this term: 4000+1000+2000=7000
@mdt - Hmm, just a quick question. Will our tracked EXP ever matter? Ceres got enough accumulated to take her past level 5 (perhaps 6 too), but I suspect we might all level at the same time - so I thought I save myself some work : )
Stat bonus -> Int
Fort, Ref -> +1
Skills gained: 6 (class) + 4 (int bonus) + 3 (retroactive int bonus) = 13 points
Forward Observer +3
Navigation +3
Diplomacy +3
Leader +1
Pilot +1
P\Survey +1
T\Engineering +1
T\Sensor +1
+2 undecided Know skills
@mdt again - Ceres earned a promotion. Previously she was O3, now she is O4 (which is Lt.Commander -> Commander). However, since we are using an expanded number of ranks, is she now (Lt ->) Lt.Commander :)?
@mdt, Annara - Regarding ranks: Are we going to do an expanded/renamed ranks for the Marines too? I foresee some confusion if 'Captain' is a rank in the corps while it is a title (destination of function) in the Navy!
Naw, he'll stay a grunt.
Transfers to Marines as an E2
internal security
nope
nope
TAS Membership?
Rank = E2 Lance Corporal
So, I guess he goes into marines and doesn't distinguish himself to get promoted.
@Annara
Sounds good.
I'll level him later today.
cheers
@Ceres - I'll get up the Marine ranks shortly. Still using expanded ranks. Each system is allowed to use it's own ranks for it's own military. Each must have a code equivalent. IE: O1, O2, O3, O4, whatever it's called. That way when they interact with other militaries in the Confederacy, seniority and rank can be maintained. Usually when mixed groups work together, they drop back to 'slot' references, O2, O5, etc, to avoid confusion.
@Ziirkaa - You don't have to take a military path. You can if you like. If you do not, you are likely to be pressed into a position on the ships, but you'll have no rank and little pull on where you end up. So, while it's not required, it is strongly suggested. The only new option is Marines, which is probably not a good fit for Ziirkaa. :)
@Ceres - Tracked EXP will matter, mostly going forward. Gomez, for example, is now at the minimum EXP for level 4. Those who made a bunch of EXP are at mid-level between 4 and 5. You're capped out at that level.
MDT
How much XP does Vathan have?
University... Again!
Professional - Naval Engineering Research Assistant
Mustering Out
Actual Summary
- Earned Masters of Engineering in Design and Manufacturing
- Earned Doctorate of Philosophy in Solid Mechanics and Materials
- Edu 18 (set to 16 from DSc, +1 honors, +1 mustering out)
- Int +1 (now 20)
- XP +4000 (Total 11,000)
- Now Professional O3: Manager
Stats
Ability Score: Increasing Dex to 16
+1 Ref
+1 Will
Class Bonus Feat: Naval Architect (second time)
Professional Skill Focus: T\Mechanical
Skill Points (7 class, 5 int, 1 human, 3 int adjustment = 16)
- Combat Engineering +1 (Total +3)
- Craft (Metalworking) +1 (Total +3)
- Demolitions +1 (Total +4)
- K/Fortifications +1 (Total +2)
- K/Metallurgy +1 (Total +2)
- Leader +1 (Total +2)
- Pilot +1 (Total +2)
- P/Prospecting +1 (Total +2)
- T/Astrogation +1 (Total +1)
- T/Communications +1 (Total +2)
- T/Computers +1 (Total +1)
- T/Electronics +1 (Total +2)
- T/Engineering +2 (Total +3)
- T/Mechanical +1 (Total +4)
- T/Sensors +1 (Total +2)
Not quite.
You only get one background check (University), 2 years. You can take a second to get a PHD if you want and make the rolls.
You can then take a level of Academic, or Professional. But you don't get the prior history for two things, only one. A prior history check is 4 years for any term in a field (Academic, Professional, Navy, whatever).
So, your options are :
Prior History -
A) Masters & PHD (4 years) University Prior History Check x2
B) Masters & work in R&D (4 years) University Prior History Check x1
For taking your actual level, you have the option of :
A or B) Academic or Professional
@Vathan - You and everyone else who maxed out EXP during the 4 years are at 8500. Gomez is at 6000. Note that this isn't a vital distinction. As you may have noticed, things are not so level dependent in T20, mostly thanks to the tech being a vast field leveller.
I thought I already was doing A. I had the University check for my Masters in my first post, which took two years. I then did a University check for my Doctorate in my second post, taking up my last two years.
During my time at University, I earned enough to level up, and chose Professional as my level.
So what did I do wrong?
@Ophelia Holt - Change the name just cus the Navy can't tell the difference between "Marine Captain" and "Navy Captain" there would be a fight in the officers quarters. Your talking like a military is logical, thinks things thought and even "care" what each branch feels.
No no no I will make it clear she's a Marine Captain have no fear.
hehe
Also Do you think your Doctorate of Philosophy in Solid Mechanics and Materials should be a Engineering Doctorate [Eng-D] as its piratical not Philosophical, and based on Masters of Engineering work. :)
MoE/Eng-D
So what did I do wrong?
It's this bit...
Professional - Naval Engineering Research Assistant
[dice=Assignment]1d20
[dice=Survive vs DC 4]1d20 + 4
[dice=XP Bonus vs DC 8]1d20
[dice=Promotion vs DC 6]1d20 + 4
1d20
You're still rolling a prior career entry for Professional.
You can take a level of professional without having a prior history for it. Plus, if you're doing the doctorate (which you did) then that's the entire 4 years, so there's no time to actually work as a research assistant.
Going for the doctorate means you were, in all likelyhood, working on the research team as an intern while getting your doctorate.
Either way, the important point is, you can't take the prior career rolls for the Professional. You can only do the prior history bit for Masters/Doctorate.
You can still take a LEVEL of the CLASS professional, to cover the internship, but you can't get the prior history benefits of the professional and the prior history benefits of 4 years of university.
@Annarra, I originally had that as a Doctorate of Science (DSc), but I was just sticking with the common Ph.D. because it was more well known. In all likelihood, it would probably be a D.Eng.
Though, to be fair, that specialization is a Ph.D. specialization. I looked it up on a few University websites before deciding on it.
@mdt, Ah, ok then.
How does that work for mustering out then? Since it is listed under the prior history for Professional, then I don't get mustering out rolls, right?
Theoretically speaking, does that mean that if an Academic spends every term in University earning multiple degrees, that they never get Earned Benefits or the ability to retire, since they never spent a term 'in employment'?
@Ziirkaa - You don't have to take a military path. You can if you like. If you do not, you are likely to be pressed into a position on the ships, but you'll have no rank and little pull on where you end up. So, while it's not required, it is strongly suggested. The only new option is Marines, which is probably not a good fit for Ziirkaa. :)
Sure, but there is no way being an ensign, or the discipline of the service would match Ziirkaa's inflated sense of his own importance. I don't think pressing would be involved, he will happily volunteer as a civilian to work with the science and technology, outside of the chain of command. Even pressing him would reinforce his ego... "I am so brilliant that they must have me!!!"
So 4 more years of academic is clearly the way to go... Seriously, thank you for helping to clarify my thinking on the matter.
@Ophilia - Yep, if someone spends all their time in university, they don't get muster out benefits. Which is exactly what happens in real life. People who are fresh out of college usually don't have any money, they're hungry for a job. :)
@Annara, mdt, Captain - It is not the mess halls I worry about, it is simple logistics. A Navy Captain commands a ship, a Marine Captain does not :P
@mdt, fairly true, though research assistants who are attending college get stipends and Professors can teach and conduct research, even paid research, while earning other degrees.
And while, crunchwise, it makes more sense to stop at a Masters and keep that term of Professional, I was going for the Ph.D. before I rolled anything, so I'll stick to that track.
Ok, then I need to adjust. No mustering out means my Dex drops back to 15 and my edu to 17. Also, 75,000 less credits. And, I'm still O2 for Professional.
@Ophelia - As Ziirkaa's credentialed intellectual equal, you may now refer to him as Aggie if you like.
squee
Why do I have the intense desire to call you Uncle Aggie?
Well, your EDU skyrocketed so that's always a plus. :)
This is true. : )
@Viktoria
You talking game play logistics I take it then, if not my points still stand, and its the rank given in the rule book.
But as players I think we know which PC is which.
That is unless you feel the Navy should have the sole rights to the name and rank. Which I would find very funny as that resembling the very real world argument over who lays claim to the Name "Capitan" Navy types not happy gun toting-Pongo and Stomping Marines using a name fit Only for well dressed and mannered Navy types. Troopers thinking the Navy can go get a haircut the bunch of face hair loving wimps. :P
Where you see a problem, I see a great opportunity for game play here.
:)
Is there a concern about marine and navy captains serving together with the same rank? IRL it has been on-going for over 200 years without clarification, everyone involved knows there's a monumental difference between the two.
My 2 credits
The big problem, Aannra, is that the Navy is basically making the Marines with the army, so they are unlikely to want confusion on ranks.
Army/Marine ranks are now in the campaign tab.
There aren't Navy Captains, at least not as a rank. Captain is a title, not a rank, in the Telthani Navy. Since the Marines are being built as a joint venture between the Army and Navy, they have both agreed to keep Captain out of the rank structure. Note the Telthani Army doesn't use Captain as a rank either, they use Lieutenant Major instead.