My father was a tulip bush that bred with a poptart
:D
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I'm just going to ignore that
Quick question:
Epic skill checks are in use here, yes?
MG - some of the epic skill uses are simply silly (like a DC 50 Diplomacy check making anyone who is Helpful into someone that is willing to die for you without question). I'd check before counting on anything similar.
WoM's V Ice
OMG!!!, I'm getting tickets an popcorn
Its like a Smack down Match from WWF-dom
Jump up and down with pom-poms
Or epic perception, dc 80, making you immune to illusions.
Quick question:
Epic skill checks are in use here, yes?
not really....cause there's epic and then there's stupid, and a lot of the epic skill checks fall under the latter. I mean, Miss Jones isn't going to fail a sense motive check, but if you're convincing someone that you're so likable that they'd be willing to die for you, there better be magic involved.
Even though that's actually possible in the real world??
I mean, just look at Hitler, no magic involved there, but he got the Germans to die for him.
Godwin's law.
Even though that's actually possible in the real world??
I mean, just look at Hitler, no magic involved there, but he got the Germans to die for him.
And it took him time to build up his power base that much. It wasn't instant. That's where the epic skills break down. You aren't going to get there in six seconds. Or even a minute.
Take hours/weeks/months and then I'll gladly accept it as a possibility, but less than that just doesn't work for me.
I personally don't care for the diplomacy skill in this setting. It's just too much of a roleplay oriented game for that. It works for NPC's and a "please listen before you kill me" type thing, but it just doesn't get me there in normal play here.
If you can't type out a verbal speech to equal your roll, it just doesn't work for me.
If it worked like that, I would just have rolled a minimum 30 (+29) diplomacy check and my romantical problems wouldn't exist. ;)
"Well that could have gone better." The Wearer takes a deep sigh, and sits on the desk
This is a problem of bad research. It's common knowledge (especially after she completely went off on people for trying to hug her earlier in the day) that Nala has issues with touch and she usually leaves treatment of male patients to others when working in the main infirmary. (There have been exceptions, but they're rare, and it's usually someone she knows which helps.) She doesn't appear to have any issues with children. Ignoring obvious signs of stress and asking for a meeting alone and then trying to appear as an authority figure.... well, no one said that wisdom was his strong suit. :P
Also, Ryuzo saw Nala flee the room obviously upset.....good luck with that. :)
Ooh, now i think there are some cool epic checks, like dc 120 escape artist to pass trough a wall of force...
Then there are others, like dc 70 balance check to balance on water.
Overall, it's a 3.5 thing.
Pathfinder reinforced that "magic > not magic."
No matter what you do, a Mage can and will do it better.
Ooh, now i think there are some cool epic checks, like dc 120 escape artist to pass trough a wall of force...
Then there are others, like dc 70 balance check to balance on water.
Overall, it's a 3.5 thing.
Pathfinder reinforced that "magic > not magic."
No matter what you do, a Mage can and will do it better.
You don't plan on ranting now, right?
/Riiiight?/o_o
*this means you say yes and please don't*
I'm not seeing how I could avoid it.... a character who literally perfectly mimics emotion. And every person finds a reason to be suspicious....
You don't plan on ranting now, right?
/Riiiight?/
o_o
*this means you say yes and please don't*
If i wanted to rant on casters > Martials, there are many, many other threads for that.
I state what i think to be a fact. I'm not pushing for or against it.
I'm not seeing how I could avoid it.... a character who literally perfectly mimics emotion. And every person finds a reason to be suspicious....
You have to play it that well.
Don't give us reason to be suspicious.No matter how high your check, your actual words are more important.
It's just that usually when you talk about this, it becomes a rant. I just want to stop it before you start. :)
I don't know much about 4.0
Or care for that matter.
I have the bestiary for it.
I didn't know what gen it was for. I got it because it was the cheapest. Now I know why...
Just responding to this bit you said: "there are various bulges and slight tells that this man is just so wrong..."
To me this suggests his true form was misshapen.
I'm not seeing how I could avoid it.... a character who literally perfectly mimics emotion. And every person finds a reason to be suspicious....You have to play it that well.
Don't give us reason to be suspicious.No matter how high your check, your actual words are more important.
It goes like this.
WoM walks up, disguised as a student, says hello
Everyone is filled with instant distrust and seeks to find a reason to hate him
New student arrives: no judgement.
The reason WoM is coming off as heartless cruel and whatnot is because people are finding any reason possible not to like him.
I would like to point out that both Vai's and Ardiente's reactions (pretty much my only characters that have interacted with WoM) were pretty reasonable considering the circumstances. :P
Just responding to this bit you said: "there are various bulges and slight tells that this man is just so wrong..."
To me this suggests his true form was misshapen.
The bulges are from weaponry or equipment, and he is layered in six or seven layers of illusion. Everything about him reeks of deception.
This man doesn't 'feel right' in the place he was in
Sorry for my inept explaination
Ryuzo could see through his BS. After all the crap that just happened the day before? Suspicions galore. Then the guys asks to meet with his emotionally troubled girlfriend.
Not gonna win any prizes.
He probably should have done some research. I'm sure if he realized her boyfriend was the champion of deception, that would have gone differently.
Besides, Ryuzo doesn't hate him. Everyone does what they must.
Just responding to this bit you said: "there are various bulges and slight tells that this man is just so wrong..."
To me this suggests his true form was misshapen.The bulges are from weaponry or equipment, and he is layered in six or seven layers of illusion. Everything about him reeks of deception.
This man doesn't 'feel right' in the place he was in
Sorry for my inept explaination
It's alright. He doesn't come from a tech culture. He would have recognized the weapon bulges, but completely misinterpreted the others.
I would like to point out that both Vai's and Ardiente's reactions (pretty much my only characters that have interacted with WoM) were pretty reasonable considering the circumstances. :P
Yes, those reactions were reasonable. As was melody's. Ginni and Co. Stretching it....
Deceptions champion I can understand also.Other people... not so much....
His interaction with Al'rqyq went well, I thought.
I think anytime someone offers a release from what he had already gone through, that person is going to be suspicious. Then wonder what's in it for them to be so kind.
How many other people have you spoke to?
There are lots of reasons to mistrust anyone who asks for "favors" without describing anything about them...
Ryuzo could see through his BS. After all the crap that just happened the day before? Suspicions galore. Then the guys asks to meet with his emotionally troubled girlfriend.
Not gonna win any prizes.
He probably should have done some research. I'm sure if he realized her boyfriend was the champion of deception, that would have gone differently.
Besides, Ryuzo doesn't hate him. Everyone does what they must.
Asking to speak to the person in charge, and not knowing about her issues was part of the roleplay...
How many other people have you spoke to?
There are lots of reasons to mistrust anyone who asks for "favors" without describing anything about them...
I don't request favors. I basically go around saying.
"Ya need something done? Ok. You'll owe me one"
Oh I know. I think that went well, all things considered :)
This isn't the first time Ryuzo has had to console Nala, nor will it probably be the last.
Another thing to keep in mind as a player. Ryuzo isn't a student anymore. He's a teacher. And so is Nala.
I'm not seeing how I could avoid it.... a character who literally perfectly mimics emotion. And every person finds a reason to be suspicious....
Just because he's a perfect mimic doesn't mean he doesn't make bad choices. He picked the absolute opposite of the right way to deal with Nala. Who once had half or more of the student body under mind control in order to try and feel safe. Girl has issues.
The problem is mostly that he keeps trying to connect the wrong persona to the wrong person.
When he appeared to Dave and Tybs the suspicion was that he can suddenly appear unbeknownst in a high security area with a door so complicated it took him a couple minutes to figure out.
I don't remember how suspicious I was the first time.
I blame pro/antagonist "fate" type stuff if I was.
Waiting on Dave for Kirk...
And student or teacher doesn't matter. WoM is neither :)
Ok. Just a reminder of the power level difference, is all.
Yes, but the way he words it makes it unnerving, and not even knowing you and you being mr. Shopkeeper out of nowhere doesn't help either, and having the items he's showing you also cost a favor to explain....
I remember back to Johnny and tybs, where WOM wanted a favor for everything, including Silence about a secret he just barged in on. Your "favors for everything" setup is unnerving on so many levels. Course, i haven't really interacted with him much, save with adon, who mistrusts almost everything.
When he appeared to Dave and Tybs the suspicion was that he can suddenly appear unbeknownst in a high security area with a door so complicated it took him a couple minutes to figure out.
I don't remember how suspicious I was the first time.
I blame pro/antagonist "fate" type stuff if I was.
I shot Johnny remember.
I'm a teacher, but I'm no more powerful then i used to be... But my 16 level Gestalt is optimized well enough that I'm kinda on par with most 20 level Gestalt teachers anyway.
I would like to point out that both Vai's and Ardiente's reactions (pretty much my only characters that have interacted with WoM) were pretty reasonable considering the circumstances. :PYes, those reactions were reasonable. As was melody's. Ginni and Co. Stretching it....
Deceptions champion I can understand also.Other people... not so much....
Not really. Ginni is helpless in many ways, but she's pretty dangerous to WoM. She'd be less of a problem for him if she had her telepathy better under control. Pretty much she's someone to avoid. For so many reasons. The others were only suspicious of him because of her in that scene.
Waiting on Dave for Kirk...
And student or teacher doesn't matter. WoM is neither :)
waiting on me for what now?
Yes, but the way he words it makes it unnerving, and not even knowing you and you being mr. Shopkeeper out of nowhere doesn't help either, and having the items he's showing you also cost a favor to explain....
I remember back to Johnny and tybs, where WOM wanted a favor for everything, including Silence about a secret he just barged in on. Your "favors for everything" setup is unnerving on so many levels. Course, i haven't really interacted with him much, save with adon, who mistrusts almost everything.
....you don't go on the black market for a bagel and jam.
Johnny exposed me, and demanded that I keep his privacy. Yes, I'm going to cut him a deal that isn't a deal at all.
And he isn't supposed to be a person that you are comfortable with (as a character)
waiting on me for what now?Waiting on Dave for Kirk...
And student or teacher doesn't matter. WoM is neither :)
Ehos
I shot Johnny remember.When he appeared to Dave and Tybs the suspicion was that he can suddenly appear unbeknownst in a high security area with a door so complicated it took him a couple minutes to figure out.
I don't remember how suspicious I was the first time.
I blame pro/antagonist "fate" type stuff if I was.
even despite this, you intrigue Dave, you are a potential means to several ends, but he likes stuff to be on his terms
Exactly- why would we trust him?
We aren't comfortable with him.
And you requested a favor for silence involving ardente, after you appeared in the room that was heavily locked...
And if he charges just to explain what his things will do, then it's not really something most of my characters would partake of... Except one... Maybe two.
"Ya need something done? Ok. You'll owe me one"
That is almost the definition of asking for favors. It is an exchange of favors.
Exactly- why would we trust him?
We aren't comfortable with him.And you requested a favor for silence involving ardente, after you appeared in the room that was heavily locked...
And if he charges just to explain what his things will do, then it's not really something most of my characters would partake of... Except one.
I recall asking for silence in return for a favor... hmm I'll reread the scene
I don't charge for explaining what things do.... unless you are calling upon me for an explaination.