
Sanriel |

Well when the sole coffin maker in the land has a habit of vigorously defending his client pool you are afforded two choice.
Buy from this guy, or make your own coffin.

Sanriel |

A bored What-If situation as to why yu both have the same type of coffin. Perhaps it is exactly the same one because all real vampires of breeding only order from one person.
I can almost imagine this tiny old man in ustalav with a backlog of orders for coffins to last him until doomsday.
All the vampires want his coffins, luxury wood that also kills most pests.
Also, what should I call my monkey friend? Little one might get boring after a while.

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I have a coffin inside a bag of holding for when I need it.
Perhaps I need to get a Parasol of Daylight Protection. How awesome and strange would that look lol.
If you're carrying the bag of holding when you turn into a gas, presumably all your possessions become gaseous with you... so how do you get into the gaseous bag of holding?
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Activity-wise, I discovered that the forums aren't blocked at work (unlike my last job), so I should be somewhat more reliable during the week. I still probably won't match those of you making several posts back-and-forth each day, but it should help.

Sanriel |

Hrmmm.... Ravenloft Coffins. Do they come soaked with the tears of adventurers who Strahd has done horrible things to?
As to gaseous bags of holding. The bag of holding could still be open far as I am to understand it. Its just instead of only breaking when something sharp hits the bag there is also the threat that someone will either walk through the bag or the wind will blow disrupting it.
Then the vampire wakes up on the ethereal plane.
Also, Remnant. What is your opinion on various types of superior senses and penetrating the ground?
I figure Tremor sense would work through stone, but Blind sense? Blind sight?
I am unsure.

Sanriel |

And a very clever idea that was, least til some guy with a razor popped up next to your bag. Not as good as holding a knife to your throat, but having your coffin and small collection of gear lost on a pocket dimension in the astral plane would be rather inconvenient.
Perhaps you can get a personal helper monkey to hold onto it.
One of These maybe?

GM_Remnant |

Hrmmm.... Ravenloft Coffins. Do they come soaked with the tears of adventurers who Strahd has done horrible things to?
As to gaseous bags of holding. The bag of holding could still be open far as I am to understand it. Its just instead of only breaking when something sharp hits the bag there is also the threat that someone will either walk through the bag or the wind will blow disrupting it.
Then the vampire wakes up on the ethereal plane.Also, Remnant. What is your opinion on various types of superior senses and penetrating the ground?
I figure Tremor sense would work through stone, but Blind sense? Blind sight?
I am unsure.
So in figuring things out I am good to think them through by way of analogies and metaphors.
So as we pointed out to me, rightly so, about the tremorsense of the little spider out wandering ignored by the PCs.
So re-read Lifesense, Tremorsense, Blindsense, Blindsight and what is the closest in literature, games, comics, etc to this idea.
There is Daredevil
So he has like 2 or 3 types of Blindsense (obviously) equating to superior senses and the radar.
So 20 years in navy operating radar and other surveillance gear I can understand that.
So DD can sense through thin interior walls heartbeats and movement noises. He can pick stuff out in rain to a degree. He never showed signs in years of issues I read of seeing through solid rock.
So High Level PCs are more Superbeings that Mortals, lets be 'real'.
So much as I dislike not saying yes to a reasonable question, I think I would rule that as a no, with a caveat of what type of superior sense?
Like a detect vibrations via fingertips and place hand on a stone wall, yes.
Using my superior hearing to hear through a solid wall someone creeping up on something, not likely.

Sanriel |

Or he might kill us and let his shadowy spider minion lay eggs in the eye sockets of whatever party members that leave a usable corpse.
So, who wants to murder an Aboleth while poor Zorryn gets to deal with Mr shadowman?

Zorryn |

Good luck with the aboleth. If im facing dc25 will saves from beefed up quicklings or whatever is behind the door (possible the rock) I hope he gives you a run for your money :p
If this guy is a necromancer sorcerer that can affect undead with mind effecting spells this could be quite interesting.

Sanriel |

As to shadowman, I really doubt that is a quickling. Remnant just likes them as monsters far as I can tell.
Though if he is a quickling that is one buffed to hell quickling.
As to the will save.
Do remember that undead are immune to mind affecting abilities, not everything that requires a will save is a mind affecting ability.
Some stuff just changes the environment around you, which undead are just as susceptible to a a normal human.
Plus there is command undead and this feat if the desire is made to screw our undead-ly party members.
No my money is on a bluff of some kind. what he is or where is is are likely not correct with shadowman.
@ remnant
the reason I ask is due to my template and my being a Cave druid giving me an interesting combination of powers.
Siabrae get earth glide.
Earth glide lets me move through stone.
I am a cave druid.
Cave druids get this
Lightfoot (Ex)
At 3rd level, a cave druid cannot be detected with tremorsense.
I'm trying to figure out what other senses can "See" through solid materials to find what if anything would be able to find me while earth gliding.
As it stands Sanriel would be next to impossible to fight in any environment he can touch stone/earth in.

Zorryn |

I would reckon blindsight, blindsense and lifesense would not detect you inside a rock.
Blindsight needs line of effect. Lifesense works just like blindsight but only for living creatures. And blindsense is a lesser form of blindsight.
Thing I'm wondering is can you see out from inside a rock? If you have to leave the rock to see into the next room or whatever then those senses would have a chance to 'see' you I would reckon.
Also does technical reading of lightfoot say tremorsense cant detect you ever? If so awesome but the word light foot sounds like you walk so lightly you barely touch the ground. When you're in the ground though it would make sense that tremorsense could detect you. But eh that's my fluff changing the mechanics of what the ability let's you do.
So I guessed that the DM knows that undead are immune to mind affecting. But remember there is this bloodline arcana which would affect me. There are definitely a few ways to screw with undead. I don't see how a bluff would use a will save though. Wouldn't that just vs my sense motive?

Zorryn |

If you are standing on ground and not gliding through the stone how on earth are you hiding from anything but tremorsense anyway? Blindsight picks out your figure. You're undead so lifesense doesn't work on you anyway. Blindsense would know your square. See in darkness would pick out your shape.
How are you attacking (and seeing things to attack) things while being fully submerged in stone?

Sanriel |

I just copied the whole text of light foot for this.
Cave druid.
All it says is cave druids can't be detected by tremor sense. At all.
I can't see out of the rock but my own tremor sense (which Siabrae get as part of the template) would permit me to know peoples squares.
Not very reliable but i'm basically untouchable earth gliding.
I can attack "through" rock with reach weapons or clever placement and thrown items.
Spring attack or Swim-by attack or whatever the Fly-by equivalent is would work as well.
I also retain earth glide and such while wild shaped far as I'm to understand the template. So I could just take a lare or larger bipedal form and smack people from inside the rock.
Basically sanriels combat style would be popping into and out of the ground like a spastic trapdoor spider and stabbing you with a spear.
I suppose if I wanted to go the whole way on stealth i could invest in Dampen Presence and force perception checks for every type of creature.
Fits Sanriels Flavor but I'm not sure if I want to specialize that hard.
Stealth checks vs dark/normal vision just requires they are not looking in the same direction / me being granted cover.
rules for swimming (which earth glide calls out as the method closest) states that a creature partially covered by water hiding from an enemy on land is granted cover.
As Sanriel is basically chuck norris in disguise and can swim through land he can benefit from cover in the same sort of situation far as I can tell.
Ya know I was planning on just using a long spear as inquisitor gives me all simple weapons but boarding pikes are pirate flavored long spears.
and for some reason this thing exists.

Viktor Esperkrantz |

Waking up on the ethereal plane is preferable to not waking up at all : )
Ideally, one should have a dedicated minion that follows one around - preferably both stealthy and swift.
I merely got a ride back instead : )

Remnant |

Oh its a quickling. Cool. Yea Zorryn isn't the act before you think type so he likes to size up something first before deciding to attack or what not. Can we use that 10 I rolled for arcana or whatever is appropriate for fey.
Sure you can use that roll. You would realize that it is not a quickling, but some other much more malevolent male fey.

GM_Remnant |

Good luck with the aboleth. If im facing dc25 will saves from beefed up quicklings or whatever is behind the door (possible the rock) I hope he gives you a run for your money :p
If this guy is a necromancer sorcerer that can affect undead with mind effecting spells this could be quite interesting.
Yeah thanks for reminding me that half of the party is undead
So yes whether you pass the will save or not you will be immuneI had set up that encounter prior to the final party composition so I had kinda overlooked your immunity
So even if you fail it you will pass but I will relay some impressions from that portion of it all

Viktor Esperkrantz |

Hello 'team'!:P
I'm going away for a few days (until sunday), so while I'm gone please mentally insert smug remarks from the vampire on your own. If it comes down to combat, Viktor's relevant stats are in his profile.
Init: 1d20 + 12 ⇒ (16) + 12 = 28
Take care and see ya later!

GM_Remnant |

Would anyone here be interested in me compiling like stats and stuff for what you are encountering along the way?
I was thinking about that and putting it up for free once we are farther along.
Just curious.
Like the writeup for Shivered
Lady in Linen
Mr Bone Drone
The couple of other NPCs you have not met yet
The encounters fleshed out beyond my notes
New Monsters that are coming up after the end of this first mission
Etc.

Sanriel |

If you feel like sharing some of your GM'ly stuff I have no issues with it. Increasing my collection of amusing NPCs and other such stuff is always a good thing.
I always enjoy seeing the wheels behind an interesting NPC or set piece additional monsters my players have never sen before is also nice to have.

Viktor Esperkrantz |

I'm back! I'll try and catch up asap and get a post up : )
You guys have been productive in my absence ^^

Sanriel |

Meh, didn't want Viktor to have to move too fast. Poor old guy might break a hip if we left him to far behind.
Also, Clikk, are you a CR 7 or CR9 version of a unfettered? Far as I'm to understand by the rules Thunderbeard had in place you should getting a 25 point buy added to your generic stats.

Viktor Esperkrantz |

@Remnant - Yes, quite pleasant thank you :)
@Sanriel - "Hey! I heard that! Dam (im)mortals these days, no respect for their betters. *grumblegrumble*" :P

Clikk the Hunter |

@Sanriel neither I was using essentially a custom race paired with the advancement of an unfettered Eidolon's style of progression. As far as I am aware the different versions of an Ufettered Eidolon should ultimately just be just different expenditures of evolution points.

Sanriel |

@Ckkxxchtki Interestingly enough Aboleth do actually have a means to physically speak.
Well in 3.5 they did at least.
Along the creature’s flanks run twin sets of large orifices (3),
each of which can open as wide as 2 feet. Most aboleths have
two orifices on each flank, but a particularly well-endowed
specimen can have up to seven on a side. On a more natural
creature, they might be called nostrils. An aboleth uses these
vents to breathe, scent, speak, and expel mucus into the surrounding
area.

Sanriel |

They have a land speed because they can drag themselves up onto land with tentacles and slowly crawl across terrain.
Doesn't look like they were amphibious in 3.5 but with the very good constitution score they have an aboleth can hold it breath for 44 rounds.
SRD Aboleth
so in combat terms an Aboleth is able to fight on land just fine. Its just long term that they can't survive up in the air.
Though Lords of Madness did have a alternate type of Aboleth that was Amphibious as an option, so lore does say they exist if we are counting in legacy stuff just that on average aboleth don't like living on land as it doesn't work out that well for them.
there is a bit in there describing how Aboleths don't die on land, they dry out into leathery husks unable to move or speak even telepathically. Effectively rocks that are trapped in their own skin with nothing to do. Aboleths consider it a fate worse than death.