Gestalt would not make everyone epic powerful, it would just mean they have more options and I can unleash stronger stuff from the get-go.
Yes, well I beg to differ. However that would be a debate that could be picked up if needed.
While I would be interested in gestalting (both Heroic power and Standard power levels are interesting) I will yield to the judgement of the rest of the group on the matter.
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If everyone wanted, we could do gestalt, but I would compensate by beefing up the opponents even more. What does everyone say before I make selections?
I am totes becoming an Aegis (pseudo-psionic class) (trailblazer archetype) as well. Many awesomenesses shall be had! Especially since I can wear the Astral Suit since it's not metal!
The build I have in mind depends on a houserule I use where TWF is a single feat and Improved and Greater TWF are automatically gained when you meet the prereqs.
I'd be just fine with gestalt though I by no means consider it necessary.
As for what my second class would be, most likely Sorcerer or Bloodrager. I'd have to redo my feats in case of the Sorcerer though.
Then again, if the Spell Finesse 3rd party feat is allowed I'd suddenly have a lot more options.
I am good either way. Don't know what I would take as a second but Ill reserve looking until we know.
Actually, I think Ranger would be a better second class.
Mweeheeheeheee. (many animal companions, oh mai)
I would prefer to not play as a gestalt. It should only be done for specific games that are designed to handle the power level.
I would vote no gestalt. Beastmaster is already an effective gestalt: Druid, Ranger, and Barbarian.
For the record, I don't know much about gestalt, so I would lean against it, but am willing to try whatever the group is most excited about.
And, I can post 1-3 times a day. I typically check the boards before work, on my lunch break and in the evenings. Possibly more on weekends.
Willing either way. I wanted some inquisitor levels on my character, though I could do without them now.
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If everyone wanted, we could do gestalt, but I would compensate by beefing up the opponents even more. What does everyone say before I make selections?
I have no problem with Gestalt games in low-power settings. I agree with you that they aren't really much more powerful than normal. They just allow for more options and a longer "adventuring day"
In an E6 game with a 4 person or smaller group, Gestalt works great.
Actually, if we do go with Gestalt, I'll be a Feywarden//Sorcerer(Fey bloodline), for ultimate Feyishness.
I should stress that I am absolutely, POSITIVELY fine without it, however.
I think I'd gestalt Royce with Haunted Oracle of the Dark Tapestry.
I'd just reflavor the dark tapestry to be less about space and more about darkness. Wouldn't take much. I'm getting some very cool ideas and imagery in my head now.
I retract my opinion on Gestalt, there would actually be some great role play opportunities for my character. As a charismatic enchantress who loves to sing... Princess Faun has got witch/bard written all over her. Getting lots of cool imagery in mind as well.
Wow, a Fey Bloodline Sorcerer gestalt would actually be perfect for me. Bros. look at how awesome this is.
I don't quite know how, but I keep getting incredibly powerful class combinations whenever I try to make the classes suit the character. Odd.
I don't quite know how, but I keep getting incredibly powerful class combinations whenever I try to make the classes suit the character. Odd.
It may have something to do with gestalting being incredibly powerful. What with full levels in two classes and all.
@Neils: Even without Gestalt, it happens! Did you know an Aegis/Bard(Archaeologist)/Ranger multiclassed character actually works very well as a scout?
i <3 the fey and sylvan bloodlines.
i <3 the fey and sylvan bloodlines.
This. So much this.
@Neils: Even without Gestalt, it happens! Did you know an Aegis/Bard(Archaeologist)/Ranger multiclassed character actually works very well as a scout?
Yes and Fighter (Brawler) 18/ Monk (Master of Many Styles) 2 is far better than straight Monk 20.
Really it depends on what your definition of "works well" is.
Let's try to avoid turning this into a class power debate, shall we?
We're discussing the merits of possibly gestalting, nothing more, nothing less.
Personally, I have always enjoyed gestalt. Yes, the PCs are often a bit more powerful, especially if you choose the right class combos.
BUT it also allows for some serious fun, some very interesting storytelling and an overall better game, if all are in agreement on both sides of the GM screen.
RVT already said she was planning on making our enemies using gestalt, and knowing we are as well just makes them that much deadlier and scarier.
We're also still 3rd level, which means even with gestalt, we don't get too huge a power boost.
That would also allow Cake to make the Witches triple-gestalt, if she really wants to keep them a step ahead of us.
Neils, its fine if it's not your thing. I didn't put in an application for RVT's godling game because I feel like the numbers break down after about tenth level.
Low level Gestalt is perfectly manageable in my opinion, but I know others disagree with me.
To each their own.
RVT posted the question. It's pretty clear she's comfortable with it and wants a vote. Let's stick to that.
If you'd like to argue the pros and cons of the concept I'd be happy to discuss it with you. We should start another thread for that though.
Edit: Darn ninja-monkeys!
That would also allow Cake to make the Witches triple-gestalt, if she really wants to keep them a step ahead of us.
Well that's a horrifying thought. The entire Hecate in a single person...
At the very least, if we were gestalting, I'd like to exchange in the tales feats. I think it'd be an appropriate trade.
That would also allow Cake to make the Witches triple-gestalt, if she really wants to keep them a step ahead of us.Well that's a horrifying thought. The entire Hecate in a single person...
And the Sixth is a quadruple Gestalt Sorcerer//Wizard//Witch//Ranger (Trapper). Oh yes. *licks lips at the challenge*
I'm going to have to agree with Neils on that point. If we do end up gestalting, I would prefer to at least have to give up the powerful Tales Feat in return
I think that's how they made Batman.
Alchemist/Monk/Rogue/Fighter
OMG! The sixth is Batman!? We're all doomed!
Only way to beat Batman is to have superpowers and get the jump on him. Not one or the other, you need both.
Oh yeah, I agree with Eliah and Neils.
Only way to beat Batman is to have superpowers and get the jump on him. Not one or the other, you need both.
I am literally specialized in both of those things.
Wait... do I get to Gestalt? I feel so weak!
Magic? Please, Batman has been dealing with that for years. There is not a single superhero or supervillain that can take him down unless he is completely unaware of their existence, they get the drop on him, and they're too strong for any mortal being to fight in hand-to-hand.
Magic? Please, Batman has been dealing with that for years. There is not a single superhero or supervillain that can take him down unless he is completely unaware of their existence, they get the drop on him, and they're too strong for any mortal being to fight in hand-to-hand.
The only weakness he has is his angst.
That's why Joker is one of his best villains. He's so insane and unpredictable that Batman has trouble pinpointing his plan, because even the Joker doesn't know the plan!
I...I must be the only one who doesn't want to do gestalt, though the main reason is that I DON'T WANNA ALTER MY SHEET AGAIN!;~; If everyone else wants to, I guess I'm okay with it, though.
I...I must be the only one who doesn't want to do gestalt, though the main reason is that I DON'T WANNA ALTER MY SHEET AGAIN!;~; If everyone else wants to, I guess I'm okay with it, though.
If it comes down to that, we can help you if you'd like.
I...I must be the only one who doesn't want to do gestalt, though the main reason is that I DON'T WANNA ALTER MY SHEET AGAIN!;~; If everyone else wants to, I guess I'm okay with it, though.
but Emmie! You can be a Tetori//Barbarian for REALZ!!!
Also, you need to submit a character to the War on the Civilized campaign.
That's the only thing I don't like Tetori, is because the fillable sheet is a pain to alter CMD with, since Tetori gets a few different changes.
I appreciate the offer, though. I'll probably take Barbarian if we do gestalt, I suppose...I'll take a look at what else interests me, though. I'm looking for flavorful stuff. ^^
I...I must be the only one who doesn't want to do gestalt, though the main reason is that I DON'T WANNA ALTER MY SHEET AGAIN!;~; If everyone else wants to, I guess I'm okay with it, though.
So far the results are pretty skewed. There are a number of us that don't want to gestalt, a number that really just don't care, and then some that want to gestalt. It's far from a consensus. If we have to we have too, luckily there are a good number of people here willing to help one another.
I definitely do not want to gestalt, mainly for the reason I just don't like the RAW for it. Also I don't even know what other class would go well with Whirrun's concept and wouldn't be utterly redundant.
I definitely do not want to gestalt, mainly for the reason I just don't like the RAW for it. Also I don't even know what other class would go well with Whirrun's concept and wouldn't be utterly redundant.
Fighter is always a solid choice no matter what your first class is.
I love how so many people love my ideas! Two threads at over 500 posts each is crazy cool! It's absolutely barmy, but yay!
I will let everyone think about what kind of gestalt they would want until this afternoon. Post your ideas and I will decide on who is selected for the campaign. A word of caution: I ALWAYS pick fluff over crunch for PCs, so if you try to make like a munchkin and make bad-@$$ski McGee with absolutely no past, no connections to the campaign world, ect., then I will likely not even consider your character. Remember, it's spelled ROLEplaying game, not ROLLplaying game!
(Should totally pick Drunken Master for Emmeline. Underage drinking, hooooooooooooooooooooooo!)
I love how so many people love my ideas! Two threads at over 500 posts each is crazy cool! It's absolutely barmy, but yay!
I will let everyone think about what kind of gestalt they would want until this afternoon. Post your ideas and I will decide on who is selected for the campaign. A word of caution: I ALWAYS pick fluff over crunch for PCs, so if you try to make like a munchkin and make bad-@$$ski McGee with absolutely no past, no connections to the campaign world, ect., then I will likely not even consider your character. Remember, it's spelled ROLEplaying game, not ROLLplaying game!
[Sorcerer 1/Unbreakable Fighter 2] + [Magus 3]
BECAUSE HEROES NEVER DIE!
I definitely do not want to gestalt, mainly for the reason I just don't like the RAW for it. Also I don't even know what other class would go well with Whirrun's concept and wouldn't be utterly redundant.Fighter is always a solid choice no matter what your first class is.
Yeah it is hard to go wrong with some levels of fighter. The crunch would certainly work, but for the fluff it wouldn't make sense for him to be that good in strait up fighting.
Yeah it is hard to go wrong with some levels of fighter. The crunch would certainly work, but for the fluff it wouldn't make sense for him to be that good in strait up fighting.I definitely do not want to gestalt, mainly for the reason I just don't like the RAW for it. Also I don't even know what other class would go well with Whirrun's concept and wouldn't be utterly redundant.Fighter is always a solid choice no matter what your first class is.
Lore Warden?
Oooh, I may be fluff focused but even I shy away from an archetype that bad.