[GM SCHOOL] Honor's Echo : Homestead (Inactive)

Game Master brunoreturns

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Dark Archive

LG Aquatic Elf Male Oracle (ancient lorekeeper/dual-cursed)-1 | HP 10/10 | AC 15 / 13 T / 12 FF (+2 armor, +3 DEX) | CMD 13 | Fort +1, Reflex +3, Will +2; +2 vs enchantments, +2 vs death; Immune: Sleep | Init +3 | Perception +2, Low-Light Vision; Sense Motive +0 | Speed 25 ft., Swim 30 ft. | Channel Positive Energy 4/day, 1d6+1, DC 13 | Oracle Spells: Level-1 2/day | Conditions: None

"Hello? Anybody here?" Melicertes calls out. The only thing worse than being alone is being around other people.

Grand Lodge

M Half Orc Lunar Oracle (Spirit Guide) 4/Paladin (OathLoyalty, Mind Sword) 2| HP 41/41 | AC 18/14/14 | F+12 R+13 W+14 | Init +5 | Perc +4 | Active Condition: None

I'm around and chained to a computer all weekend so I'm hoping people are going to post a ton after the drought :)

Liberty's Edge

Stats:
Oozemorph 1||HP 12/12|AC:20/T:14/FF:16|F:+4/R:+5/W:+1|CMB:+3|CMD: 17/13FF|BAB: +1|Init: +3|Acr:+7|Cft(Alch): +4|K:Planes/Rel/Per.:+5|Dip./S.M.:+1|EscArt/Fly/Ride: +3|PFS# 145296-30
Consumables:
Fluid Form 1/1 per day|10/10 Sling bullets|2/2 Torch|2/2 Trail Rations

I'm working all weekend and will be lucky to get a couple of posts in daily. I hope we hit a happy medium.


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Bubb Blrb Brbl 'Bobbi' Libertas wrote:


I'm working all weekend and will be lucky to get a couple of posts in daily. I hope we hit a happy medium.

I'm trying not to advance things too far without everyone having a chance to contribute, while also allowing those who can post more frequently to have some fun.

Hopefully, it works out.

Grand Lodge

M Half Orc Lunar Oracle (Spirit Guide) 4/Paladin (OathLoyalty, Mind Sword) 2| HP 41/41 | AC 18/14/14 | F+12 R+13 W+14 | Init +5 | Perc +4 | Active Condition: None

I'm working this weekend also but lots of posting time. I promise not to try to solo the adventure :)

Grand Lodge

Curse of the Crimson Throne | Loot

I think judicious use of spoilers, like this instance, when one PC perceives something the others do not, is a good practice, one I should use more often, too.

I've also been in groups where a player likes to do squirrelly things and hide them in spoilers. A little of that goes a long way. Used sparingly, it's kind of fun and mildly interesting. Overuse it, though, and it just becomes annoying RP grab-ass.

Grand Lodge

Curse of the Crimson Throne | Loot

Sometimes players need a gentle nudge to get things moving. Having read the scenario and thought things through a bit, the GM might be waiting for the players to say or do something that will trigger the action.

When it doesn't happen, things can sometimes bog down. Seems like what's inside the room is waiting for us to open the door. But no PC is willing to open it.

Oh dear, what will break the impasse?

Melicertes bites his fingernails, dreading what will happen next...

Liberty's Edge

Stats:
Oozemorph 1||HP 12/12|AC:20/T:14/FF:16|F:+4/R:+5/W:+1|CMB:+3|CMD: 17/13FF|BAB: +1|Init: +3|Acr:+7|Cft(Alch): +4|K:Planes/Rel/Per.:+5|Dip./S.M.:+1|EscArt/Fly/Ride: +3|PFS# 145296-30
Consumables:
Fluid Form 1/1 per day|10/10 Sling bullets|2/2 Torch|2/2 Trail Rations

This is also one of the reasons why doors are the worst opponent to face in Play By Post.


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I was preparing a nudge, but felt some time was called for to give people time to prepare, if they wanted.

Grand Lodge

M Half Orc Lunar Oracle (Spirit Guide) 4/Paladin (OathLoyalty, Mind Sword) 2| HP 41/41 | AC 18/14/14 | F+12 R+13 W+14 | Init +5 | Perc +4 | Active Condition: None

I tend to open the door. Hard to judge if that's cool with everyone else in a PbP game vs live.


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So, question time.

At one point, I bundled several responses to player actions into one post.

Now, it seems like the players may have missed something slightly important from one or more of those responses.

How can I point this out without it seeming like I am attempting to suggest a direction?


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Question 2:

That post also led to another problem (when I forgot to put whispered conversation in a spoiler).

I am forced to admit that the entire post was ill conceived.

That particular post happened at the end of a long day when all of the players had made excellent contributions. All of their actions deserved a reaction of some kind.

Is there a better way that I should have organized that response?

Dark Archive

Male NG Human Arcanist 6 | HP 32/32 | AC 19* T 11 FF 19* | CMB 2, CMD 13 | F+2 R+2 W+5 (+1 vs illusion) | Init: +0 (+1 in Cheliax) | Perc: +4, SM: +4 (+1 vs. lying) | Speed 30ft | Arcane Reservoir: 1/15 | Tireless Logic: [X] | Volatile Conduit: [X] | Spells: 1st 0/6, 2nd 0/5, 3rd 0/3 | Active conditions: shield

Can you link or otherwise identify the specific post(s)? I can guess, but I'd rather be clear and not mistake it for a different post in discussion your questions.


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This is the post

Grand Lodge

Curse of the Crimson Throne | Loot

I re-read the post, and nothing leaps out to me as problematic.

When several players have acted, I usually respond/react to each of them within a single post. For clarity, the GM can respond/react in the same sequence that the players posted, unless it makes sense to shift it around.

For example, if the third poster spotted a trap, I might respond to that first, warning the first and second poster about the trap's presence before they stepped into it.

In the event the PCs missed an important plot point, for example, I might have one of the PCs actually stub his toe on the tarnished chalice as he moves through the room, making sure the PC and the party has another opportunity to find the holy grail.

Judgment call. We want to be challenged and to have fun. If something needs to be fixed, just do it in another post.

Some GMs and some players like 'hard mode.' If that's the sort of group you're in, your approach might be very different.

No blood, no foul. (Yet.)

Dark Archive

Male NG Human Arcanist 6 | HP 32/32 | AC 19* T 11 FF 19* | CMB 2, CMD 13 | F+2 R+2 W+5 (+1 vs illusion) | Init: +0 (+1 in Cheliax) | Perc: +4, SM: +4 (+1 vs. lying) | Speed 30ft | Arcane Reservoir: 1/15 | Tireless Logic: [X] | Volatile Conduit: [X] | Spells: 1st 0/6, 2nd 0/5, 3rd 0/3 | Active conditions: shield

Yeah, I think it's fine if you're okay with folks not happening to pick out just the right detail. PCs can miscalculate and pick up on the wrong details, just as IRL, so be it.


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@Bobbi, from my reading, you are only immune to precision damage and flanking while in your "natural" blob form, not while in the altered humanoid form.

Since you are still holding things, I imagine you are still in humanoid form.

Grand Lodge

Curse of the Crimson Throne | Loot

Excellent question, GM. I confess, I'm not very familiar with all the workings of the class either.

I often encourage players to include as many hyperlinks as possible to abilities, spells, items, many of us might not be familiar with. It's a big help to the GM, saving him or her a ton of time looking things up, slowing down the game.

I try to do the same as a player. I prefer hyperlinks, because I find them less disruptive of the 'fourth wall' than a bunch of ooc text.

ooc text is fine, too, and plenty of tables use it extensively. Just stating my preference.

Liberty's Edge

Stats:
Oozemorph 1||HP 12/12|AC:20/T:14/FF:16|F:+4/R:+5/W:+1|CMB:+3|CMD: 17/13FF|BAB: +1|Init: +3|Acr:+7|Cft(Alch): +4|K:Planes/Rel/Per.:+5|Dip./S.M.:+1|EscArt/Fly/Ride: +3|PFS# 145296-30
Consumables:
Fluid Form 1/1 per day|10/10 Sling bullets|2/2 Torch|2/2 Trail Rations

...Bobbi would not have moved into that position if they didn't know they had the ability in humanoid form.

This is the first time it has come up, so respecting the GM's call at the table.

Cannot link PRD, as Ultimate Wilderness is not on it.

Found it on Nethys and then backtracked it to the FAQ listing for February, 2018. Archives of Nethys: Shifter Oozemorph with the following area pertinent...

Official FAQ:

The oozemorph archetype has had several of its abilities clarified in the official Paizo FAQ and have been copied below:

Oozemorph Shifter: How does the oozemorph’s fluidic body work? Can the oozemorph actually move at all in ooze form? Why does a supernatural ability still have an effect in an antimagic field?

Fluidic Body is essentially two effects in one. The first, which is a permanent part of your character once you become an oozemorph, is that your base form is now an ooze shape. Even if you lose fluidic body for some reason (antimagic field, violating your code of conduct, etc) your base form is still the amorphous oozelike form. The other half of the ability is a supernatural polymorph effect to transform into humanoid (and later bestial) forms.

Despite having an oozelike shape, an oozemorph’s base form is not an ooze, though it does also count as an ooze for the purposes of effects targeting creatures by type. The oozelike form doesn’t gain any abilities of the ooze creature type except as stated by the archetype itself. This form retains the base senses and land speed of the oozemorph’s original race, as well as racial abilities like dwarfs’ greed or gnomes’ obsession that don’t depend on shape, but it loses abilities dependent on form, including form-based speeds like strix’s flight (and most other racial speeds beyond land speed), racial natural attacks like catfolks’ claws, and other abilities like tieflings’ prehensile tail. However, if the oozemorph possesses a racial ability denied her in her oozelike form and transforms into a member of her own race with fluidic body, she gains the full benefits of that racial ability for that duration, even if it isn’t usually granted when using alter self (or the appropriate spell for a non-humanoid oozemorph). An oozemorph's compression, damage reduction, and morphic weaponry function in its oozelike form and any form it takes via fluidic body, though not in forms it takes via other polymorph effects.

These clarifications will be reflected in the next errata.

FAQ Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Ultimate Wilderness


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I have UW, and I have read the FAQ entry on d20pfsrd (which is different than the FAQ entry posted). I'll post my reasoning tonight as well as retconning your movement (it won't affect kobold movement).

I do want to read through the whole FAQ (and possibly download an updated copy of UW if there is one) before making a final ruling.

Liberty's Edge

Stats:
Oozemorph 1||HP 12/12|AC:20/T:14/FF:16|F:+4/R:+5/W:+1|CMB:+3|CMD: 17/13FF|BAB: +1|Init: +3|Acr:+7|Cft(Alch): +4|K:Planes/Rel/Per.:+5|Dip./S.M.:+1|EscArt/Fly/Ride: +3|PFS# 145296-30
Consumables:
Fluid Form 1/1 per day|10/10 Sling bullets|2/2 Torch|2/2 Trail Rations

No worries.

Don't need to retcon imo?

Thank you very much for the consideration!

Grand Lodge

M Half Orc Lunar Oracle (Spirit Guide) 4/Paladin (OathLoyalty, Mind Sword) 2| HP 41/41 | AC 18/14/14 | F+12 R+13 W+14 | Init +5 | Perc +4 | Active Condition: None

This would have been relevant in the ratfolk battle in Basilica that I DMd and obviously missed :)

I highlighted and snipped the passage that I think is helpful for this interpretation. Oozemorph gets Fluid Body in that form. The ability to turn to humanoid changes your form.


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The entire fluidic body section is poorly worded, but the offending statement suffers from vague pronoun reference.

Quote:
In this form, the oozemorph is immune to critical hits and precision damage and can’t be flanked.

Which form does "this" refer to? The section talks about two different forms, the ooze form and the humanoid form. However, while not clear, the paragraph containing this sentence is discussing the ooze form exclusively, making it apparent that "this" refers to the ooze form.

This makes logical sense, as oozes are immune to those effects. "In this form" clearly implies that the immunity does not carry over to the humanoid form.

The FAQ entry actually "clarifies" this in a roundabout way.

Quote:
The oozelike form doesn’t gain any abilities of the ooze creature type except as stated by the archetype itself.

The oozelike form is the one that can gain abilities of an ooze creature. Immunity to flanking is an ooze ability.

As with anything, I could be wrong, but rereading this section has solidified my opinion.

Bobbi is not immune to flanking. As stated, it would not place itself in a flankable position, so I will move it to the position below Ferdrin.

Grand Lodge

M Half Orc Lunar Oracle (Spirit Guide) 4/Paladin (OathLoyalty, Mind Sword) 2| HP 41/41 | AC 18/14/14 | F+12 R+13 W+14 | Init +5 | Perc +4 | Active Condition: None

sorry i should have added more text there. yes, THIS form refers to the ooze form.

Liberty's Edge

Stats:
Oozemorph 1||HP 12/12|AC:20/T:14/FF:16|F:+4/R:+5/W:+1|CMB:+3|CMD: 17/13FF|BAB: +1|Init: +3|Acr:+7|Cft(Alch): +4|K:Planes/Rel/Per.:+5|Dip./S.M.:+1|EscArt/Fly/Ride: +3|PFS# 145296-30
Consumables:
Fluid Form 1/1 per day|10/10 Sling bullets|2/2 Torch|2/2 Trail Rations

Just a head's up, Bobbi's player will be at a convention all weekend starting on Thursday and will only have his Fire with him, so it will be very rough to post.

Should hopefully be back and available Monday.

He is going to be trying to make sure that none of the Eagle Knights die, whether he has to grapple them

dice=CMB(Grapple)]1d20+3[/dice]

or Heal/stabilize them

dice=Heal(First Aid: Stabilize)]1d20+1[/dice]

His current AC is 20.

He will be reluctant to strike at Eagle Knights, and because the last time he hit someone he kinda blew them up and it's influencing his actions.

If necessary and parties are stable/not-dying, he will move to act as shield and add AC to adjacent characters.

dice=Defense(Aid)]1d20+3[/dice]

Liberty's Edge

Stats:
Oozemorph 1||HP 12/12|AC:20/T:14/FF:16|F:+4/R:+5/W:+1|CMB:+3|CMD: 17/13FF|BAB: +1|Init: +3|Acr:+7|Cft(Alch): +4|K:Planes/Rel/Per.:+5|Dip./S.M.:+1|EscArt/Fly/Ride: +3|PFS# 145296-30
Consumables:
Fluid Form 1/1 per day|10/10 Sling bullets|2/2 Torch|2/2 Trail Rations

Did Bobbi stabilize Green?

Dark Archive

Male NG Human Arcanist 6 | HP 32/32 | AC 19* T 11 FF 19* | CMB 2, CMD 13 | F+2 R+2 W+5 (+1 vs illusion) | Init: +0 (+1 in Cheliax) | Perc: +4, SM: +4 (+1 vs. lying) | Speed 30ft | Arcane Reservoir: 1/15 | Tireless Logic: [X] | Volatile Conduit: [X] | Spells: 1st 0/6, 2nd 0/5, 3rd 0/3 | Active conditions: shield

FYI: I will be away from home and without the ability to post this Saturday, Sept 15-16. I should be able to resume Sunday evening. Bot at needed. Thanks!


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Bubb Blrb Brbl 'Bobbi' Libertas wrote:
Did Bobbi stabilize Green?

Yes. Sorry, I should have mentioned it even though the DC is well known. There could have been some unknown effect.

Grand Lodge

Curse of the Crimson Throne | Loot

Thanks, GM Brunoreturns, for running us through 'Homestead'.

GM PaleDim, are you ready to begin 'Breakdown'?

Liberty's Edge

Stats:
Oozemorph 1||HP 12/12|AC:20/T:14/FF:16|F:+4/R:+5/W:+1|CMB:+3|CMD: 17/13FF|BAB: +1|Init: +3|Acr:+7|Cft(Alch): +4|K:Planes/Rel/Per.:+5|Dip./S.M.:+1|EscArt/Fly/Ride: +3|PFS# 145296-30
Consumables:
Fluid Form 1/1 per day|10/10 Sling bullets|2/2 Torch|2/2 Trail Rations

Thank you very much for running GM Brunoreturns, and thank you to characters for not murdering all the kobolds -- I'm using one of them as my kobold Boon character.

Admittedly, they will probably be very uncertain about being an 'Eagle Knight' after this... situation. They may end up in a different faction.


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GM Lorenzo wrote:

Thanks, GM Brunoreturns, for running us through 'Homestead'.

GM PaleDim, are you ready to begin 'Breakdown'?

I'll have an introductory post up by late tomorrow.

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